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	<title>Comments on: Tech-savvy women seek support  in classroom and newsroom</title>
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		<title>By: Robert Niles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Niles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2005 16:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Moving on, in my experience teaching Web design at USC, the two students I&#039;ve had who have most tenaciously and thoroughly researched web publishing technology have been female. But neither embarked upon their research because they cared about the technology itself. They went after the topic because they needed a tool to publish information in a way they wanted it published.

So let&#039;s blow up the silly notion that persists in some corners of the blogosphere that women can&#039;t or won&#039;t do technology. Let&#039;s instead start looking to experiences such as this to help communications educators ensure that the next generation of online publishers and designers reflects the diversity of the offline world as well.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moving on, in my experience teaching Web design at USC, the two students I&#8217;ve had who have most tenaciously and thoroughly researched web publishing technology have been female. But neither embarked upon their research because they cared about the technology itself. They went after the topic because they needed a tool to publish information in a way they wanted it published.</p>
<p>So let&#8217;s blow up the silly notion that persists in some corners of the blogosphere that women can&#8217;t or won&#8217;t do technology. Let&#8217;s instead start looking to experiences such as this to help communications educators ensure that the next generation of online publishers and designers reflects the diversity of the offline world as well.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Niles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Niles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2005 16:26:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have eliminated the quote marks from the opening comments. OJR apologies for the misunderstanding in the editing process between the writer and our copy editor over the origin of those remarks.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have eliminated the quote marks from the opening comments. OJR apologies for the misunderstanding in the editing process between the writer and our copy editor over the origin of those remarks.</p>
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		<title>By: Cindy Royal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cindy Royal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2005 15:51:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I would like to clarify a couple of items in this piece that may have been lost in the editing process.  I had initially positioned my argument as being surprised by the lack of visibility of women in Web design prompted by the panel; then throughout the conference and in general, hearing the reasons for women&#039;s lack of participation in technology as those listed. They were not originally my lead, and I did not have them in quotes, indicating they came directly from the panel (which they did not).  I apologize for the confusion, and must give credit to the panel for inspiring my thoughts for this piece.

Seeing it posted today, I was concerned that my intent would be lost.  My argument is that by offering advanced technology skills in programs in which women were already highly represented, the result, due to demographics, would be more tech-savvy women, some of which may ultimately be interested in Web design or other areas of Information Technology as a career. My experience with female students would indicate a strong interest and aptitude in this area.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would like to clarify a couple of items in this piece that may have been lost in the editing process.  I had initially positioned my argument as being surprised by the lack of visibility of women in Web design prompted by the panel; then throughout the conference and in general, hearing the reasons for women&#8217;s lack of participation in technology as those listed. They were not originally my lead, and I did not have them in quotes, indicating they came directly from the panel (which they did not).  I apologize for the confusion, and must give credit to the panel for inspiring my thoughts for this piece.</p>
<p>Seeing it posted today, I was concerned that my intent would be lost.  My argument is that by offering advanced technology skills in programs in which women were already highly represented, the result, due to demographics, would be more tech-savvy women, some of which may ultimately be interested in Web design or other areas of Information Technology as a career. My experience with female students would indicate a strong interest and aptitude in this area.</p>
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		<title>By: Tiffany Brown</title>
		<link>http://www.ojr.org/041304royal/#comment-163</link>
		<dc:creator>Tiffany Brown</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2005 15:08:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was a part of that SXSW panel. In our defense, we only had one hour for five people to give their views, plus have an audience Q&amp;A.

And if I remember correctly, our points were more along the lines of &quot;male-dominated geek culture can be isolating and intimidating for women&quot; and &quot;women need to network and self-promote.&quot;

I agree, however, that online journalism programs would do well to include programming elements. I think having journalists with those skills would lead to better online journalism.

Doing so, however, still doesn&#039;t change the basic issue of women&#039;s *visibility* in web design.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was a part of that SXSW panel. In our defense, we only had one hour for five people to give their views, plus have an audience Q&#038;A.</p>
<p>And if I remember correctly, our points were more along the lines of &#8220;male-dominated geek culture can be isolating and intimidating for women&#8221; and &#8220;women need to network and self-promote.&#8221;</p>
<p>I agree, however, that online journalism programs would do well to include programming elements. I think having journalists with those skills would lead to better online journalism.</p>
<p>Doing so, however, still doesn&#8217;t change the basic issue of women&#8217;s *visibility* in web design.</p>
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		<title>By: Amy Gahran</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amy Gahran</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Apr 2005 13:10:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It seems to me that one likely factor that may significantly hinders women involvement or participation in technical fields or endeavors is discomfort with the predominant style of interaction.

In many male-dominated fields, projects, and forums, ideas and opinions often get explored primarily through adversarial debate. However, many women are uncomfortable with the adversarial style, and prefer a more collaborative approach to developing and exploring ideas.

Unfortunately, this difference generally isn&#039;t viewed as a style preference. In fact, this generally isn&#039;t discussed openly at all -- it&#039;s just assumed that adversarial debate is the only or best way to explore technical topics.

The result, according to women I&#039;ve talked to, is that despite their interest in the topic, many women get bored or drained by the adversarial interaction commonplace in technical fields or forums. They then either drop out or stop actively participating. One sentence I&#039;ve heard over and over is, &quot;Every time I spoke up, I got attacked.&quot; They realized that usually no attack was intended, yet that was still their experience.

This does not mean that people who don&#039;t prefer automatically adversarial debate are somehow weak.  They just have a different style.

Fortunately, there are other ways to approach communication, even about technology. It just takes awareness and some effort from everyone involved.

I&#039;ve just started to explore this angle directly in my weblog, CONTENTIOUS. See: Smashing heads does not open minds: http://blog.contentious.com/archives/2005/04/14/smashing-heads-does-not-open-minds

Thanks,

- Amy Gahran
  Editor, CONTENTIOUS]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems to me that one likely factor that may significantly hinders women involvement or participation in technical fields or endeavors is discomfort with the predominant style of interaction.</p>
<p>In many male-dominated fields, projects, and forums, ideas and opinions often get explored primarily through adversarial debate. However, many women are uncomfortable with the adversarial style, and prefer a more collaborative approach to developing and exploring ideas.</p>
<p>Unfortunately, this difference generally isn&#8217;t viewed as a style preference. In fact, this generally isn&#8217;t discussed openly at all &#8212; it&#8217;s just assumed that adversarial debate is the only or best way to explore technical topics.</p>
<p>The result, according to women I&#8217;ve talked to, is that despite their interest in the topic, many women get bored or drained by the adversarial interaction commonplace in technical fields or forums. They then either drop out or stop actively participating. One sentence I&#8217;ve heard over and over is, &#8220;Every time I spoke up, I got attacked.&#8221; They realized that usually no attack was intended, yet that was still their experience.</p>
<p>This does not mean that people who don&#8217;t prefer automatically adversarial debate are somehow weak.  They just have a different style.</p>
<p>Fortunately, there are other ways to approach communication, even about technology. It just takes awareness and some effort from everyone involved.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve just started to explore this angle directly in my weblog, CONTENTIOUS. See: Smashing heads does not open minds: <a href="http://blog.contentious.com/archives/2005/04/14/smashing-heads-does-not-open-minds" rel="nofollow">http://blog.contentious.com/archives/2005/04/14/smashing-heads-does-not-open-minds</a></p>
<p>Thanks,</p>
<p>- Amy Gahran<br />
  Editor, CONTENTIOUS</p>
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