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		<title>By: 64.81.147.111</title>
		<link>http://www.ojr.org/080513niles-blogging/#comment-1223</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 19:03:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think Google Friend Connect could be the answer to this...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Google Friend Connect could be the answer to this&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Niles</title>
		<link>http://www.ojr.org/080513niles-blogging/#comment-1222</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Niles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 18:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tish -- are you reading my pub sked? ;-) I&#039;m planning to get to the local aggregation/network model for news websites in a commentary within the next month.

Billy, we didn&#039;t invent this world, we just teach students how to get along with it. Many &quot;old media&quot; journalists long to put the genie back in, but that ain&#039;t happening. I want my students to have the best possible information, and sharpest skills, to make a living in the highly competitive online publishing world as it now exists, and will in the future. UGC is a huge, and very useful, part of that world.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tish &#8212; are you reading my pub sked? <img src='http://www.ojr.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' />  I&#8217;m planning to get to the local aggregation/network model for news websites in a commentary within the next month.</p>
<p>Billy, we didn&#8217;t invent this world, we just teach students how to get along with it. Many &#8220;old media&#8221; journalists long to put the genie back in, but that ain&#8217;t happening. I want my students to have the best possible information, and sharpest skills, to make a living in the highly competitive online publishing world as it now exists, and will in the future. UGC is a huge, and very useful, part of that world.</p>
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		<title>By: Billy Jones</title>
		<link>http://www.ojr.org/080513niles-blogging/#comment-1221</link>
		<dc:creator>Billy Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 16:08:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This entire user generated content model that is the backbone of Web 2.0 is troubling to say the least. And it bothers me that &quot;journalists&quot; and &quot;journalism professors&quot; continue to promote what has become the NAFTA and CAFTA of the publishing industry. (Need I remind you of what NAFTA and CAFTA did to American manufacturing?)

User generated content sites are driving down advertising rates and the pay the very students you train can expect to earn and yet the &quot;professors&quot; at the USC Annenberg School of Journalism continue to promote the very thing that will put all of you out of work. Your very students are entering into a job market that competes with free-- how hard is that to figure out?

I guess there&#039;s something to the old saying, &quot;Those that can do, those that can&#039;t teach.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This entire user generated content model that is the backbone of Web 2.0 is troubling to say the least. And it bothers me that &#8220;journalists&#8221; and &#8220;journalism professors&#8221; continue to promote what has become the NAFTA and CAFTA of the publishing industry. (Need I remind you of what NAFTA and CAFTA did to American manufacturing?)</p>
<p>User generated content sites are driving down advertising rates and the pay the very students you train can expect to earn and yet the &#8220;professors&#8221; at the USC Annenberg School of Journalism continue to promote the very thing that will put all of you out of work. Your very students are entering into a job market that competes with free&#8211; how hard is that to figure out?</p>
<p>I guess there&#8217;s something to the old saying, &#8220;Those that can do, those that can&#8217;t teach.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Schrock</title>
		<link>http://www.ojr.org/080513niles-blogging/#comment-1220</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Schrock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 12:04:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tish - Re: local bloggers. I&#039;d agree that bloggers can act as a fifth estate - a check to the fourth estate.

I would strongly argue that once you publish your content to the web, you are relinquishing a large degree of control. The question is, in releasing that story, how do you maximize that story&#039;s benefit to you? Putting the cat back in the bag doesn&#039;t work with digital media, and there&#039;s little solution to being able to manage content, say, across blogs to propagate updates or corrections.

To crib an example from Benkler (who used it to argue how there were obstacles in addition to copyright in earlier years): newspapers used to be delivered daily, and their wide distribution and timely availability meant that their being copied wouldn&#039;t be profitable. By contrast, in the current age, that copying can happen instantaneously. Once you release a story into the wilds of the Internet, for better or worse, it&#039;s out there.

You&#039;re right, there are a multitude of possible working relationships between amateur and professional content producers. I didn&#039;t mean to simplify the situation, but to provide one example of a clear benefit to &quot;giving away&quot; content.

Better integration of bloggers and newspapers is a difficult goal for reasons of power, as well. Much as we&#039;re sitting here with Robin asking, &quot;why should I give newspapers my content?&quot; the publishers are asking, &quot;why should we have open forums?&quot; There&#039;s a power struggle afoot, and publishers feel threatened. They would probably have a very strong negative reaction to their publication being essentially an aggregator for blog content. Bloggers, on the other hand, are more open to the idea of free flow of information and ideas, because it&#039;s more the world they live in. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tish &#8211; Re: local bloggers. I&#8217;d agree that bloggers can act as a fifth estate &#8211; a check to the fourth estate.</p>
<p>I would strongly argue that once you publish your content to the web, you are relinquishing a large degree of control. The question is, in releasing that story, how do you maximize that story&#8217;s benefit to you? Putting the cat back in the bag doesn&#8217;t work with digital media, and there&#8217;s little solution to being able to manage content, say, across blogs to propagate updates or corrections.</p>
<p>To crib an example from Benkler (who used it to argue how there were obstacles in addition to copyright in earlier years): newspapers used to be delivered daily, and their wide distribution and timely availability meant that their being copied wouldn&#8217;t be profitable. By contrast, in the current age, that copying can happen instantaneously. Once you release a story into the wilds of the Internet, for better or worse, it&#8217;s out there.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right, there are a multitude of possible working relationships between amateur and professional content producers. I didn&#8217;t mean to simplify the situation, but to provide one example of a clear benefit to &#8220;giving away&#8221; content.</p>
<p>Better integration of bloggers and newspapers is a difficult goal for reasons of power, as well. Much as we&#8217;re sitting here with Robin asking, &#8220;why should I give newspapers my content?&#8221; the publishers are asking, &#8220;why should we have open forums?&#8221; There&#8217;s a power struggle afoot, and publishers feel threatened. They would probably have a very strong negative reaction to their publication being essentially an aggregator for blog content. Bloggers, on the other hand, are more open to the idea of free flow of information and ideas, because it&#8217;s more the world they live in. </p>
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		<title>By: Tish Grier</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tish Grier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 10:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have to agree with Robin on this one--why should I want to give my content to a newspaper&#039;s site? The newspaper then becomes custodian of my content.  I might lose the right to re-publish that content, as well as lose the ability to migrate that content if I choose to strike out on another CMS.  What about photos?  Do photos of your family, uploaded to a newspaper&#039;s &quot;blog&quot; site become property of the newspaper because you are blogging on their CMS--and, essentially, blogging *for* the local newspaper?

Still, why isn&#039;t there a better discussion about how to integrate--not co-opt, not impress into service, not control--local blog content via an aggregation model?  Why does the option always have to be for the content to go directly into a newspaper provided CMS rather than co-operating with the local blogosphere?   Honestly, when bloggers band together, link to one another, they begin to become a force and a community on their own and increase one another&#039;s visibility without the ageis of the newspaper.  It&#039;s not unheard of...

Andrew, you might want to step back for a moment on your &quot;open mind&quot; comment re dissent in a community--think about how blogging for a newspaper might actually work to filter or perhaps even completely halt open dialog on particular regional issues (I live in what could be called &quot;small-town America&quot; and see some of this.)  IMO, the independent placeblogger can add far more to community dialog, and perhaps even hold a newspaper accountable, then might someone whose blog is part of the local paper.

So, perhaps the discussion shouldn&#039;t be about compelling people to blog on your site because you&#039;ll deliver readers to them.  Rather, the discussion should be about how the newspaper can gather up and aggregate the local blogosphere so that both newspapers and bloggers retain their independence and increase community dialogue. Separation of &quot;church and state&quot; may be the better paradigm.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with Robin on this one&#8211;why should I want to give my content to a newspaper&#8217;s site? The newspaper then becomes custodian of my content.  I might lose the right to re-publish that content, as well as lose the ability to migrate that content if I choose to strike out on another CMS.  What about photos?  Do photos of your family, uploaded to a newspaper&#8217;s &#8220;blog&#8221; site become property of the newspaper because you are blogging on their CMS&#8211;and, essentially, blogging *for* the local newspaper?</p>
<p>Still, why isn&#8217;t there a better discussion about how to integrate&#8211;not co-opt, not impress into service, not control&#8211;local blog content via an aggregation model?  Why does the option always have to be for the content to go directly into a newspaper provided CMS rather than co-operating with the local blogosphere?   Honestly, when bloggers band together, link to one another, they begin to become a force and a community on their own and increase one another&#8217;s visibility without the ageis of the newspaper.  It&#8217;s not unheard of&#8230;</p>
<p>Andrew, you might want to step back for a moment on your &#8220;open mind&#8221; comment re dissent in a community&#8211;think about how blogging for a newspaper might actually work to filter or perhaps even completely halt open dialog on particular regional issues (I live in what could be called &#8220;small-town America&#8221; and see some of this.)  IMO, the independent placeblogger can add far more to community dialog, and perhaps even hold a newspaper accountable, then might someone whose blog is part of the local paper.</p>
<p>So, perhaps the discussion shouldn&#8217;t be about compelling people to blog on your site because you&#8217;ll deliver readers to them.  Rather, the discussion should be about how the newspaper can gather up and aggregate the local blogosphere so that both newspapers and bloggers retain their independence and increase community dialogue. Separation of &#8220;church and state&#8221; may be the better paradigm.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Schrock</title>
		<link>http://www.ojr.org/080513niles-blogging/#comment-1218</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Schrock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 09:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Robin - In my opinion, the short answer is: building your online brand through acquiring dedicated readers may be more valuable than the small amount of money you would get for freelancing. No website exists in a vacuum. Online businesses require links and online relationships to grow. Posting of content on other sites gives your site exposure, prestige, and (to answer your question of &quot;why&quot;) new converts.

This shift of monetizing content (your words/audio/video) directly to monetizing and growing services that deliver content (your site) takes a leap of faith.

That said, the McClatchy example you provide doesn&#039;t sound promising; no response to emails or phone calls is never a good sign. Also, if this site has a low readership, you&#039;re not going to get new converts out of the relationship. You may be better off propagating certain content to a more widely-viewed site like YouTube.

My suggestion would be to keep an open mind about creating unpaid content for other sites, and not be too precious with your content, but perhaps pass on this particular opportunity. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robin &#8211; In my opinion, the short answer is: building your online brand through acquiring dedicated readers may be more valuable than the small amount of money you would get for freelancing. No website exists in a vacuum. Online businesses require links and online relationships to grow. Posting of content on other sites gives your site exposure, prestige, and (to answer your question of &#8220;why&#8221;) new converts.</p>
<p>This shift of monetizing content (your words/audio/video) directly to monetizing and growing services that deliver content (your site) takes a leap of faith.</p>
<p>That said, the McClatchy example you provide doesn&#8217;t sound promising; no response to emails or phone calls is never a good sign. Also, if this site has a low readership, you&#8217;re not going to get new converts out of the relationship. You may be better off propagating certain content to a more widely-viewed site like YouTube.</p>
<p>My suggestion would be to keep an open mind about creating unpaid content for other sites, and not be too precious with your content, but perhaps pass on this particular opportunity. </p>
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		<title>By: Robin Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robin Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 May 2008 08:04:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One problem: my website -- http://roblimo.com -- is 100% mine. I can (and do) post anything I please there, and if I ever decide to sell advertising on it, I am free to do so. I may not profit from it now, but that might change. Meanwhile, I&#039;m building a valuable online &quot;brand.&quot;

Now tell me why I should contribute free content to McClatchy, the publisher of my local paper. Sure, I posted some videos to their site (and won supposedly $500 in prize money, of which they&#039;ve only paid $250), and other videos I&#039;ve posted there linked to my InternetVideoPromotion.com side business, but now they don&#039;t seem to post videos I send them at all, and calling or emailing the Bradenton Herald typically does *not* get a response, so I don&#039;t know why. So now I have no incentive at all to send them my material.

Now, if they or one of the other local print media want to *pay* me to blog (or make videos) for them, sure.

But work for them for free? Why?  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One problem: my website &#8212; <a href="http://roblimo.com" rel="nofollow">http://roblimo.com</a> &#8212; is 100% mine. I can (and do) post anything I please there, and if I ever decide to sell advertising on it, I am free to do so. I may not profit from it now, but that might change. Meanwhile, I&#8217;m building a valuable online &#8220;brand.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now tell me why I should contribute free content to McClatchy, the publisher of my local paper. Sure, I posted some videos to their site (and won supposedly $500 in prize money, of which they&#8217;ve only paid $250), and other videos I&#8217;ve posted there linked to my InternetVideoPromotion.com side business, but now they don&#8217;t seem to post videos I send them at all, and calling or emailing the Bradenton Herald typically does *not* get a response, so I don&#8217;t know why. So now I have no incentive at all to send them my material.</p>
<p>Now, if they or one of the other local print media want to *pay* me to blog (or make videos) for them, sure.</p>
<p>But work for them for free? Why?  </p>
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