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		<title>By: 128.197.191.86</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 12:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Richard Whitmire says that there are huge gender gaps among African Americans. In fact, girls do somewhat better, but not all that much. In new York, for example, according to a gates foundation study,  in New York, among Blacks, 33 percent of males and 43 percent of females graduate. Very  bad results for both sexes.

he also says there is a big gender gap among high income whites, favoring girls. But the gates study, done by the Manhattan Institute, finds
that while it is true that among whites, girls are more likely to graduate than boys, the gap is relatively small, only five percent. Among Asians, the gap is even smaller, some three percent.

Large scale federal studies are the best indicator of what&#039;s happening across the board. You can pretty much find whatever you want looking at smaller studies.

The Gold standard study in this area is &quot;The Truth About Boys and Girls&quot; from the think tank &quot;Education Sector.&quot; The author of this report, Sara Mead, just posted this to the new republic blog:

&quot;I just saw your post on the new AAUW study; since you had questions
about its objectivity (which is fair, given the documented problems with
their 1992 &quot;how schools shortchange girls&quot; report), I wanted to direct you
to a report I wrote for Education Sector, a nonpartisan education policy
think tank, two years ago. Using federal data, I found basically the same
things the AAUW report does: many key educational outcome indicators are
improving for both boys and girls; elementary school aged boys, in
particular, are doing as well as or better than ever academically; to the
extent that gender gaps favoring girls exist, they happen because girls have
made significant gains, not because boys&#039; achievement has declined; and
achievement gaps by race/ethnicity and income and much larger and more
significant than gender gaps.&quot;

The truth is that there is no new and dramatic Boy crisis. There is, however, a Some Boys crisis. Inner city black and Hispanic boys and white rural boys are truly in crisis. Working class white boys also often have academic problems. Suburban white and Asian boys are doing quite well. The fact that girls fill some 55 percent of college seats is
hardly reason for panic.

There does  not have to be a &quot;Crisis&quot; to make us pay attention to boys&#039; problems where they exist, and to try to fix them. A bigger crisis is that
American students, boys and girls, lag badly behind their peers in Europe and Asia in many areas.

Pitting boys against girls, as some have done (See Christina Hoff Sommers &quot;The War Against Boys&quot;) just harma all kids--Caryl Rivers, professor of Journalism, Boston University.    ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Richard Whitmire says that there are huge gender gaps among African Americans. In fact, girls do somewhat better, but not all that much. In new York, for example, according to a gates foundation study,  in New York, among Blacks, 33 percent of males and 43 percent of females graduate. Very  bad results for both sexes.</p>
<p>he also says there is a big gender gap among high income whites, favoring girls. But the gates study, done by the Manhattan Institute, finds<br />
that while it is true that among whites, girls are more likely to graduate than boys, the gap is relatively small, only five percent. Among Asians, the gap is even smaller, some three percent.</p>
<p>Large scale federal studies are the best indicator of what&#8217;s happening across the board. You can pretty much find whatever you want looking at smaller studies.</p>
<p>The Gold standard study in this area is &#8220;The Truth About Boys and Girls&#8221; from the think tank &#8220;Education Sector.&#8221; The author of this report, Sara Mead, just posted this to the new republic blog:</p>
<p>&#8220;I just saw your post on the new AAUW study; since you had questions<br />
about its objectivity (which is fair, given the documented problems with<br />
their 1992 &#8220;how schools shortchange girls&#8221; report), I wanted to direct you<br />
to a report I wrote for Education Sector, a nonpartisan education policy<br />
think tank, two years ago. Using federal data, I found basically the same<br />
things the AAUW report does: many key educational outcome indicators are<br />
improving for both boys and girls; elementary school aged boys, in<br />
particular, are doing as well as or better than ever academically; to the<br />
extent that gender gaps favoring girls exist, they happen because girls have<br />
made significant gains, not because boys&#8217; achievement has declined; and<br />
achievement gaps by race/ethnicity and income and much larger and more<br />
significant than gender gaps.&#8221;</p>
<p>The truth is that there is no new and dramatic Boy crisis. There is, however, a Some Boys crisis. Inner city black and Hispanic boys and white rural boys are truly in crisis. Working class white boys also often have academic problems. Suburban white and Asian boys are doing quite well. The fact that girls fill some 55 percent of college seats is<br />
hardly reason for panic.</p>
<p>There does  not have to be a &#8220;Crisis&#8221; to make us pay attention to boys&#8217; problems where they exist, and to try to fix them. A bigger crisis is that<br />
American students, boys and girls, lag badly behind their peers in Europe and Asia in many areas.</p>
<p>Pitting boys against girls, as some have done (See Christina Hoff Sommers &#8220;The War Against Boys&#8221;) just harma all kids&#8211;Caryl Rivers, professor of Journalism, Boston University.    </p>
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		<title>By: 68.8.153.26</title>
		<link>http://www.ojr.org/080523whitmire-education/#comment-1231</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 18:41:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To the person who cited the &quot;pay gap,&quot; that myth has been debunked over and over again.  It is only a snapshot of yearly incomes that doesn&#039;t account for overtime (which men work about 90% of), type of work, number of hours, etc.  When all those factors are considered there is no pay gap and in fact women outearn men in many fields including science fields like engineering.  In &quot;Why Men Earn More&quot; Warren Farrell showed there are 25 work-life choices men and women make that lead to men earning more and women having more balanced lives.  Those choices include hours, commute distances, danger, etc.  In surveys, men prioritized money while women prioritized less hours, flexibility, shorter commutes, and factors conducive to their choice to be primary parents, a choice men don&#039;t have nearly as much.  Men make 92% of occupational deaths, and those working class jobs pay a bit more than office jobs which women choose more.  There are many factors that the &quot;pay gap&quot; doesn&#039;t account for.  When you really look at it, the pay gap is a reflection of the fact that women have more options than men.  Over 60% of female USC graduates opted out of the work force over time, because they choose to stay home, and option men hardly have.  That&#039;s why never-married childless women outearn their male counterparts, and in NY, NY women are outearning men because there&#039;s a higher concentration of never married childless people.

Here are numerous article refuting the &quot;pay gap&quot; lie.

Prof. June O&#039;Neill, Ph.D., former director of Congressional Budget Office, refutes the significance of the &quot;pay gap&quot; in &quot;The Gender Gap in Wages, circa 2000&quot; (5/03), American Economic Review, http://money.cnn.com/2007/06/04/magazines/fortune/muphy_payact.fortune/index.htm

http://money.cnn.com/2006/02/28/commentary/everyday/sahadi/index.htm

ABC News: &quot;Is the Wage Gap Women&#039;s Choice? Research Suggests Career Decisions, Not Sex Bias, Are at Root of Pay Disparity&quot;
http://abcnews.go.com/2020/GiveMeABreak/story?id=797045&amp;page=1&amp;CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312

http://www.startribune.com/562/story/1156698.html

http://www.nysun.com/article/50601

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/03/nyregion/03women.html?_r=1&amp;oref=slogin
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To the person who cited the &#8220;pay gap,&#8221; that myth has been debunked over and over again.  It is only a snapshot of yearly incomes that doesn&#8217;t account for overtime (which men work about 90% of), type of work, number of hours, etc.  When all those factors are considered there is no pay gap and in fact women outearn men in many fields including science fields like engineering.  In &#8220;Why Men Earn More&#8221; Warren Farrell showed there are 25 work-life choices men and women make that lead to men earning more and women having more balanced lives.  Those choices include hours, commute distances, danger, etc.  In surveys, men prioritized money while women prioritized less hours, flexibility, shorter commutes, and factors conducive to their choice to be primary parents, a choice men don&#8217;t have nearly as much.  Men make 92% of occupational deaths, and those working class jobs pay a bit more than office jobs which women choose more.  There are many factors that the &#8220;pay gap&#8221; doesn&#8217;t account for.  When you really look at it, the pay gap is a reflection of the fact that women have more options than men.  Over 60% of female USC graduates opted out of the work force over time, because they choose to stay home, and option men hardly have.  That&#8217;s why never-married childless women outearn their male counterparts, and in NY, NY women are outearning men because there&#8217;s a higher concentration of never married childless people.</p>
<p>Here are numerous article refuting the &#8220;pay gap&#8221; lie.</p>
<p>Prof. June O&#8217;Neill, Ph.D., former director of Congressional Budget Office, refutes the significance of the &#8220;pay gap&#8221; in &#8220;The Gender Gap in Wages, circa 2000&#8243; (5/03), American Economic Review, <a href="http://money.cnn.com/2007/06/04/magazines/fortune/muphy_payact.fortune/index.htm" rel="nofollow">http://money.cnn.com/2007/06/04/magazines/fortune/muphy_payact.fortune/index.htm</a></p>
<p><a href="http://money.cnn.com/2006/02/28/commentary/everyday/sahadi/index.htm" rel="nofollow">http://money.cnn.com/2006/02/28/commentary/everyday/sahadi/index.htm</a></p>
<p>ABC News: &#8220;Is the Wage Gap Women&#8217;s Choice? Research Suggests Career Decisions, Not Sex Bias, Are at Root of Pay Disparity&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://abcnews.go.com/2020/GiveMeABreak/story?id=797045&#038;page=1&#038;CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312" rel="nofollow">http://abcnews.go.com/2020/GiveMeABreak/story?id=797045&#038;page=1&#038;CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.startribune.com/562/story/1156698.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.startribune.com/562/story/1156698.html</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.nysun.com/article/50601" rel="nofollow">http://www.nysun.com/article/50601</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/03/nyregion/03women.html?_r=1&#038;oref=slogin" rel="nofollow">http://www.nytimes.com/2007/08/03/nyregion/03women.html?_r=1&#038;oref=slogin</a></p>
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		<title>By: 163.192.21.44</title>
		<link>http://www.ojr.org/080523whitmire-education/#comment-1230</link>
		<dc:creator>163.192.21.44</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 10:19:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As an education reporter I am amazed at the various organizations that exist locally and nationally for girls. The organizations to their credit still push to move girls up in math and science. But research, test scores and drop out rates shows boys need the help now in math, science and everything else. In our politically-correct world, I wonder when or if an organization (American Association of University Men?) can rise up to help boys?
On a side note the American Association of University Women should be ashamed of itself for promoting bias, false data while billing itself an &quot;education&quot; group. The group should be basking in the glory of accomplishing its mission of enlightening girls and now be helping boys. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As an education reporter I am amazed at the various organizations that exist locally and nationally for girls. The organizations to their credit still push to move girls up in math and science. But research, test scores and drop out rates shows boys need the help now in math, science and everything else. In our politically-correct world, I wonder when or if an organization (American Association of University Men?) can rise up to help boys?<br />
On a side note the American Association of University Women should be ashamed of itself for promoting bias, false data while billing itself an &#8220;education&#8221; group. The group should be basking in the glory of accomplishing its mission of enlightening girls and now be helping boys. </p>
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		<title>By: jhon bletz</title>
		<link>http://www.ojr.org/080523whitmire-education/#comment-1229</link>
		<dc:creator>jhon bletz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 May 2008 09:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[well,
what exactly is your point ?
sorry for asking..

ido]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well,<br />
what exactly is your point ?<br />
sorry for asking..</p>
<p>ido</p>
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		<title>By: 66.108.60.36</title>
		<link>http://www.ojr.org/080523whitmire-education/#comment-1228</link>
		<dc:creator>66.108.60.36</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 17:53:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;it&#039;s not all bad; turns out women are earning 77 cents for every dollar men make&quot;. pretty much says it all. if your objective look at the world suggests that women have an advantage over men, well, gee, one can only wonder what color the sky is in your world. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;it&#8217;s not all bad; turns out women are earning 77 cents for every dollar men make&#8221;. pretty much says it all. if your objective look at the world suggests that women have an advantage over men, well, gee, one can only wonder what color the sky is in your world. </p>
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		<title>By: 67.131.105.71</title>
		<link>http://www.ojr.org/080523whitmire-education/#comment-1227</link>
		<dc:creator>67.131.105.71</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 May 2008 12:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well said Richard!

(And I am glad you owned up to a certain 1992 editorial that opened  &quot;Girls are clearly not the teachers&#039; pets in public schools&quot; and ended &quot;Just think what 51% of the population could achieve given an even start.&quot; Written by another tool of the AAUW publicity machine, for sure.)

- Betsy Hammond, The Oregonian]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said Richard!</p>
<p>(And I am glad you owned up to a certain 1992 editorial that opened  &#8220;Girls are clearly not the teachers&#8217; pets in public schools&#8221; and ended &#8220;Just think what 51% of the population could achieve given an even start.&#8221; Written by another tool of the AAUW publicity machine, for sure.)</p>
<p>- Betsy Hammond, The Oregonian</p>
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