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	<title>Comments on: And why not a wiki?: Blogosphere lights up over &#039;wikitorials&#039;</title>
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		<title>By: Richard Rockman</title>
		<link>http://www.ojr.org/and-why-not-a-wiki-blogosphere-lights-up-over-wikitorials/#comment-273</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Rockman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jun 2005 22:50:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mr. Niles, it&#039;s too bad that the LAT&#039;s wikexperiment lived such a short life. I hope that it reappears soon. After all, the designated hitter in baseball is still frowned upon by purists of the game.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr. Niles, it&#8217;s too bad that the LAT&#8217;s wikexperiment lived such a short life. I hope that it reappears soon. After all, the designated hitter in baseball is still frowned upon by purists of the game.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Garfunkel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Garfunkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jun 2005 20:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, indeed. A lot more learned from a big failure than a small one. Of course, as I&#039;ve learned through OJR, there are many small experiments going on through the country, and the LAT would be wise to learn from them-- with a little help from their friends in the journo-institutes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, indeed. A lot more learned from a big failure than a small one. Of course, as I&#8217;ve learned through OJR, there are many small experiments going on through the country, and the LAT would be wise to learn from them&#8211; with a little help from their friends in the journo-institutes.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Niles</title>
		<link>http://www.ojr.org/and-why-not-a-wiki-blogosphere-lights-up-over-wikitorials/#comment-271</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Niles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Jun 2005 08:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually, we&#039;ve some articles coming up soon on managing online communities and reader content that I hope all OJR readers will find enlightening.

And to extend my last comment: Obviously, the LAT effort failed when they took it down. And the LAT planted the seeds for its failure when they took a naive approach toward setting up its registration and user input capabilities. The LAT lost the immensive momentum it had at launch by not anticipating bad behavior and having software procedures in place to head it off. But the upside in the momentum it did generate by trying this ought to encourage second, better efforts by both the LAT and other papers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, we&#8217;ve some articles coming up soon on managing online communities and reader content that I hope all OJR readers will find enlightening.</p>
<p>And to extend my last comment: Obviously, the LAT effort failed when they took it down. And the LAT planted the seeds for its failure when they took a naive approach toward setting up its registration and user input capabilities. The LAT lost the immensive momentum it had at launch by not anticipating bad behavior and having software procedures in place to head it off. But the upside in the momentum it did generate by trying this ought to encourage second, better efforts by both the LAT and other papers.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Garfunkel</title>
		<link>http://www.ojr.org/and-why-not-a-wiki-blogosphere-lights-up-over-wikitorials/#comment-270</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Garfunkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2005 19:55:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, correct, forgive me for chomping at the electronic bit here. You gave some advice in the original post: what can be done. Your response was worded much more forcefully: what not to do.

I think that the OJ effort would be a bit healthier if a resource were published &lt;i&gt;Mistakes you shouldn&#039;t make&lt;/i&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, correct, forgive me for chomping at the electronic bit here. You gave some advice in the original post: what can be done. Your response was worded much more forcefully: what not to do.</p>
<p>I think that the OJ effort would be a bit healthier if a resource were published <i>Mistakes you shouldn&#8217;t make</i>.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Niles</title>
		<link>http://www.ojr.org/and-why-not-a-wiki-blogosphere-lights-up-over-wikitorials/#comment-269</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Niles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jun 2005 14:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The article, and its options for running a wiki,  &lt;i&gt;was&lt;/i&gt; posted before the wikitorials launched.

Again, the wikitorial &lt;b&gt;was&lt;/b&gt; a resounding success in reenergizing what had become a somewhat tired publishing format. And had The Times taken the Programming 101 step of not allowing img tags in its  edits, there&#039;d have been no crippling ethical problem with continuing.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article, and its options for running a wiki,  <i>was</i> posted before the wikitorials launched.</p>
<p>Again, the wikitorial <b>was</b> a resounding success in reenergizing what had become a somewhat tired publishing format. And had The Times taken the Programming 101 step of not allowing img tags in its  edits, there&#8217;d have been no crippling ethical problem with continuing.</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Garfunkel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Garfunkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2005 19:32:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Robert-- Fortunately at your other site you &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.themeparkinsider.com/accidents/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;quite clearly distinguish success from failures&lt;/a&gt;. CJR&#039;s Brian Montopoli nails it, handily dropping off &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cjrdaily.org/archives/001609.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;an 850-word analysis&lt;/a&gt;. To wit:

&quot;But though the occasional failure is inevitable in the quest for innovation, we can&#039;t figure out why, exactly, anyone thought the Wikitorial even had a chance at success.&quot;

Otherwise, your suggestions here are good, of course, but I suppose you might have come out ahead had you posted them &lt;i&gt;before&lt;/i&gt; the experiment...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert&#8211; Fortunately at your other site you <a href="http://www.themeparkinsider.com/accidents/" rel="nofollow">quite clearly distinguish success from failures</a>. CJR&#8217;s Brian Montopoli nails it, handily dropping off <a href="http://www.cjrdaily.org/archives/001609.asp" rel="nofollow">an 850-word analysis</a>. To wit:</p>
<p>&#8220;But though the occasional failure is inevitable in the quest for innovation, we can&#8217;t figure out why, exactly, anyone thought the Wikitorial even had a chance at success.&#8221;</p>
<p>Otherwise, your suggestions here are good, of course, but I suppose you might have come out ahead had you posted them <i>before</i> the experiment&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Niles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Niles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Jun 2005 10:05:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[After an intriguing start, The Times shut down the feature over the weekend &quot;because a few readers were flooding the site with inappropriate material.&quot;

Lessons?&lt;ol&gt;&lt;li&gt;If you want high-quality material, you cannot allow users to post anonymously. A registration system must require verification (such as e-mail or credit card) and encourage or require people to post under their real names. The Times had such a registration system in place, but the paper did not do the extra work to have the wiki registration system synch with the paper&#039;s.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;There must be some cost, even if trivial, to the reader for posting inappropriate or offensive information. Coordinating with the paper&#039;s registration system would have allowed the paper at least to boot offending readers from the entire latimes.com website. If a registration system includes a credit card verification, the paper could take legal action against the offenders.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Little works well on its first installation. Successful Web publishers learn, then try again. And again. This is social networking, something that most people take a lifetime to learn well offline.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Another possible solution? Limit each registrant to one edit. Make your statement, then move on.&lt;/li&gt;&lt;li&gt;Anyone who calls this a failure is letting opinion get in the way of one, very important fact: When was the last time anyone spilled this much ink (and bandwidth) over a newspaper editorial?&lt;/li&gt;&lt;/ol&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After an intriguing start, The Times shut down the feature over the weekend &#8220;because a few readers were flooding the site with inappropriate material.&#8221;</p>
<p>Lessons?
<ol>
<li>If you want high-quality material, you cannot allow users to post anonymously. A registration system must require verification (such as e-mail or credit card) and encourage or require people to post under their real names. The Times had such a registration system in place, but the paper did not do the extra work to have the wiki registration system synch with the paper&#8217;s.</li>
<li>There must be some cost, even if trivial, to the reader for posting inappropriate or offensive information. Coordinating with the paper&#8217;s registration system would have allowed the paper at least to boot offending readers from the entire latimes.com website. If a registration system includes a credit card verification, the paper could take legal action against the offenders.</li>
<li>Little works well on its first installation. Successful Web publishers learn, then try again. And again. This is social networking, something that most people take a lifetime to learn well offline.</li>
<li>Another possible solution? Limit each registrant to one edit. Make your statement, then move on.</li>
<li>Anyone who calls this a failure is letting opinion get in the way of one, very important fact: When was the last time anyone spilled this much ink (and bandwidth) over a newspaper editorial?</li>
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		<title>By: Robert Niles</title>
		<link>http://www.ojr.org/and-why-not-a-wiki-blogosphere-lights-up-over-wikitorials/#comment-266</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Niles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2005 08:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The first &lt;a href=&quot;http://www2.latimesinteractive.com/wiki/index.php/Wikitorial&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;wikitorial is up&lt;/a&gt;. It&#039;s off the main latimes.com server, using MediaWiki software. A seperate registration is required (even for folks who have already registered with LAT. Ugh.) As of 8:45 this morning (LA time) there have been about 40 edits, with the result that the current version is far more aggressive (and anti-administration) than the original.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first <a href="http://www2.latimesinteractive.com/wiki/index.php/Wikitorial" rel="nofollow">wikitorial is up</a>. It&#8217;s off the main latimes.com server, using MediaWiki software. A seperate registration is required (even for folks who have already registered with LAT. Ugh.) As of 8:45 this morning (LA time) there have been about 40 edits, with the result that the current version is far more aggressive (and anti-administration) than the original.</p>
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		<title>By: bright young</title>
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		<dc:creator>bright young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jun 2005 01:56:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I pay more attention to the word &quot;enpower&quot;. No matter what forms we will take, I think it is most important for media to offer people a plat to express themselves. In this way, to enpower is an urgent task for all the media and people.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I pay more attention to the word &#8220;enpower&#8221;. No matter what forms we will take, I think it is most important for media to offer people a plat to express themselves. In this way, to enpower is an urgent task for all the media and people.</p>
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