Convergence personified

[Editor's note: Sandeep Junnarkar is an associate professor at the CUNY Graduate School of Journalism. He is also the editorial director of Lives in Focus, a website that uses video, audio and photographs to present the voices and stories of those who are rarely given space or time in traditional news media. Junnarkar is joining OJR as a contributing writer, offering a monthly Q&A which visits online reporters, producers, editors and executives to talk about the challenges they face, and the ideas they are experimenting with, as they try to compete in an ever-changing media marketplace.]

This month: Angela Morgenstern, Supervising Producer MTV News Overdrive

Angela Morgenstern has the unusual experience of hopping back-and-forth for the past decade between television and online journalism and landing in, perhaps, the best of both worlds.

Now 31-years-old, Morgenstern began her journalism career as a television producer for PBS’s “The Democracy Project” and later for “Livelyhood” where she served as a producer and then managed online projects. At the height of the dot-com boom, she briefly left journalism to work at a political action group which was attempting to harness the Internet for outreach. In less than a year, Morgenstern returned to the newsroom and worked for several years as an on-air reporter and producer for different PBS shows like “Springboard” and “Frontline/World.” She also had a stint with PBS Interactive.

In early 2005, Morgenstern joined MTV Networks and is now the supervising producer for digital products at MTV News. MTV News, however, is not all song and dance. Between coverage of Ashlee Simpson, Outkast and Christina Aguilera, the news division even managed to be nominated for an Interactive Emmy for its broadband coverage of the 2005 Pakistan earthquake. “The path of my career has been going back and forth from TV to online until the point I’m at today which is really a true convergence of the two,” says Morgenstern. “My career reflects this buzzword, convergence, where TV and online are not so separated anymore and you really need to understand multiple mediums to succeed.”

OJR recently spoke to Morgenstern about how to navigate this converged world to produce compelling journalism.

OJR: You’ve been back-and-forth for sometime. How and when did you transition to online journalism?

Morgenstern: I was working in San Francisco as an associate producer for a PBS Television series called “Livelyhood” which at that time was about ordinary and extra-ordinary American working people and of changes in the work place. This was right at the tip of the “dot-com” boom and I just became interested from a content perspective in material that we were not using and in this thing called the “Web.” So frankly, without having a particular expertise, I started to question what we put up and asked if we could put up more–thinking about what parts of stories might make for good web content. It was up to the producers as to how we utilized that space.

As I moved forward in web production, I was fortunate enough to work for a series [Frontline/World] that really understood the importance of original content for the Web. The series combined what I consider to be the best standards in journalism with the opportunity to experiment in new platforms and with the idea that we could bring new voices to public media. I was actually lucky enough to build the Frontline/World site from the ground up and for that we really put an emphasis on this idea that original stories could find a home on the Web and you could break important news and tell stories in an important way online.

OJR: Tell me about where you are now, MTV News Overdrive. What do you know on a daily basis?

Morgenstern: I moved to MTV a year and a half ago where I am now the supervising producer for digital production for MTV news. I helped the staff at MTV launch what would become Overdrive, which is a broadband channel driven by this idea that the audience is getting its information in new ways and MTV wanted to be there. News was a big part of that.

My day-to-day at MTV: I’m overseeing the digital production–the technical and creative production–around programs. There are now two breaking news editions as well as all the MTV News specials that have a corresponding show on air or not. I am interacting a lot with people who are producing other channels for Overdrive.

OJR: What technical skills do you need on the job now and what skills have you acquired in your new role at MTV?

Morgenstern: I think a good way to approach that question is to consider the kind of people we bring on as opposed to me specifically.

I think in my role, the skills are more broad-based. There’s an incredible need to be able to handle a fast paced environment because not only are you dealing with an enormous amount of news daily, but you are seeing the product change constantly. You are seeing the audience’s habits change and you are seeing the technologies and the tools that are available to you change just as quickly.

So it’s really having an understanding of what different technologies can do for your news organization. I have to be able to analyze quickly and be able to work with my team to change on a dime when needed. Another broad skill was my television production background. I’d been in the field and conducted tons of interviews and followed different types of stories so I have an understanding of editorial issues. That makes it more comfortable when dealing with traditional television producers or print reporters because you can talk about the story and then figure out the best way to convey the story online.

In terms of specific skills, we have a smart team of people who are doing digital production for the news department. Almost everyone knows HTML, and is familiar with publishing in a database environment. Photoshop is an absolute must. In most cases they’re familiar with other Web languages. On the video side, they are familiar with as with non-linear video editing. In the beginning they might have familiarity with Final Cut or Adobe Premiere but eventually Avid Editing. That knowledge usually extends into audio editing and other things. So really specific skills are required, but what’s more important is sort of a propensity for new technologies and the ability to pick up new tools with very little training.

OJR: You went from an organization with a smaller budget to one with greater resources. Are you able to present content now that you weren’t able to before?

Morgenstern: Being part of a big structure is helpful. But I found that some of the entrepreneurial skills that we picked up because of need when you are working on a public television show or documentary are just as valuable in a big environment–like finding ways to optimize your pages for a search engines, or finding creative ways to recruit people to help you on a project or story. Those are similar regardless of whether you are in a big environment with lots of resources or sort of entrepreneurial smaller environment.

At MTV we are charged with the same mission as you would be at any smaller organization, like figuring out what you are going to do about podcasting, RSS feeds, wireless phones, and broadband.

OJR: Going back to the idea of limited budgets, how do you decide which news story will get the full Web treatment? Or is that now something that’s become part of covering stories: we are going to use video, audio, and send it on a cell phone?

Morgenstern: I think that figuring out the right formula for making those decisions is the holy grail of online journalism–or journalism in general. I don’t think that anyone has quite figured that out. When I was at KQED one of the executives there had a fantastic matrix that helped evaluate decisions about whether to do a particular program on particular platforms. I think that those formulas are still being worked out but can at least lead you to the right conversations.

At MTV, where we have weekly meetings in addition to the daily meetings where we decide what we are covering with cameras as opposed to sending a journalists with a note book. And at those meetings, we are conscious about what medium we are going to try to hit. Will this also be a broadcast? Is this something that will go into daily news on your phone? Is Video-On-Demand going to want this? Is International going to want this and all those things are considered at the outset.

Regardless of where I’ve worked, I have had to strike a balance as a new media producer between the new media newsroom and the traditional newsroom. You want to be an advocate for new media and get reporters enthusiastic about using new media to get to tell their story. So, if you do your job right, what happens is that you end up with a lot of people with a lot of ideas for new media. Then you have to ask how do you strike the balance between that enthusiasm where you want to do everything, use all your material that you didn’t use in one medium and where you want to make smart decisions and really be strategic about which element of the story you tell where and why and how you toss from one medium to another.

OJR: So you are not just using material off the cutting room floor for MTV’s Website? Is the content that is going on the Web simply material that hadn’t found a home in broadcast or print or has that practice and attitude changed?

Morgenstern: I think it has changed tremendously. We are more sophisticated about how we think about what we put online. I like to think of the unique attributes of each medium. It’s no longer a place where you place things off the cutting room floor. It’s now more about thinking about the particulars of the medium. I like to think of the unique attributes of each medium, as all of us in this industry do when we are planning projects. I tend to think of television or video as an emotional medium. Radio can be a very intimate medium and text is a great way to convey factual information. So what’s the online extension of that or the multimedia extension of that? In some context, it can be the right combination of those elements. In another context it might be the ability to give users choice and shape their own experience.

OJR: There is still resistance in some newsroom against harnessing the Web beyond shoveling print to the site. What advice do you have to get more support for new media coverage?

Morgenstern: I think that if you are in an organization that’s running up against some legitimate resistance–like a lack of resources or a lack of understanding about the possibilities– the first thing that online journalists or new media journalists can do… and this sounds obvious… is to understand how traditional reporters work. Understand the process and what the pressures are in the field and back in the newsroom when a reporter returns. With that understanding, you can really see the smart places to insert yourself or your team into that process. There are sometimes better places for the new media team to get involved. Sometimes it’s at the conception of the story or further along when ideas are honed to begin the discussion about what makes sense for new media.

When you are working with journalists it makes more sense to talk about the story and the goals of that story than it does it talk about specific technologies. You use the technologies later to illustrate what you want to convey creatively.

Another thing is providing examples of the kind of journalism you’re talking about even if they’re examples from other organizations. This can really help garner support from the people you need for support of your project. Once you have that support, you can try new things.

MTV is a big organization but in my limited experience, I have seen that a lot of projects are the results of groups of people who went out on a limb and experimented with ideas that they had and then presented later what they meant by those ideas.

OJR: Thank you Angela.

Suggest a new media journalist whose Q&A you would like to read. Email me at sandeep [at] livesinfocus.org.

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The programmer as journalist: a Q&A with Adrian Holovaty

[The universe of journalists who program is, well, pretty small. Which is why I welcome the chance to talk with Adrian Holovaty, an award-winning journalist/programmer whose work, both for WashingtonPost.com and for his own sites, expands this profession's capabilities. Adrian graciously agreed to answer a few of my questions via e-mail for OJR. -- Robert]

OJR: I think one can safely assume that everyone in the news business understands how one “does journalism” through writing or photography. But how does one “do journalism” through computer programming?

Holovaty: The way I see it, there are three basic tasks that journalists do:

1. Gathering information. This involves talking to sources, examining documents, taking photographs, etc. It’s reporting.

2. Distilling information. This involves applying editorial judgment to decide what parts of the gathered information are important and relevant.

3. Presenting information. This involves shaping the distilled information into a format that is accessible to the readership. Some examples: writing style (inverted pyramid, etc.), photo color-correction, newspaper page design.

“Doing journalism through computer programming” is just a different way of accomplishing these goals. Namely, the technique favors automation wherever possible.

For example, it’s possible to automate that first step, the gathering of information. That’s how my chicagocrime.org site works. Each weekday, my computer program goes to the Chicago Police Department’s website and gathers all crimes reported in Chicago. Similarly, the U.S. Congress votes database I helped put together at washingtonpost.com works the same way: Several times a day, an automated program checks several government websites for roll-call votes. If it finds any, it gathers the data and saves it into a database.

The second step, distilling information, can also be automated. Just as an editor can apply editorial judgment to decide which facts in a news story are most important, a programmer-journalist (we really do need a better name than that!) decides which *queries* should be made of data. For instance, on chicagocrime.org I decided it would be useful if site users could browse by crime type, ZIP code and city ward. On the votes database site, we decided it would be useful to browse a list of all the votes that happen late at night and a list of members of Congress who’ve missed the most votes. Once we made that decision of which information to display, it was just a matter of writing the programming code that automated it.

In the “journalism through computer programming” realm, the third step, presentation, is also automated. This is particularly complex, because in creating websites, it’s necessary to account for all possible permutations of data. For example, on chicagocrime.org I had to account for missing data: How should the site display crimes whose data has changed? What should happen in the case where a crime’s longitude/latitude coordinates aren’t available? What should happen when a crime’s time is listed as “Not available”?

Also, I should point out that the two example sites I’ve given are entirely automated, but often it’s not possible to automate an entire project. In most cases, information gathering is done by humans rather than computers, and the computer programming comes into play in automating the distillation and display of the data.

A good example of this is washingtonpost.com’s Faces of the Fallen site, which lists all known U.S. service members who have died in Iraq and Afghanistan. That information is collected by the Post’s fantastic newsroom research team, not by automated scripts. The “journalism via computer programming” in this case is in the setup of the website itself: Once our researchers collect and verify information, it gets displayed on the website and is made browsable and searchable by a variety of different parameters such as age, home town and military branch. That — the display — is the part that’s automated.

OJR: What is the value to a journalist in understanding programming, or even learning how to do it?

Holovaty: The main value in understanding programming is the advantage of knowing what’s possible, in terms of both data analysis and data presentation. It helps one think of journalism beyond the plain (and kind of boring) format of the news story.

Programming comes in handy in all sorts of other areas, too, including gathering information. Now that quite a few governments and organizations are publishing data on their own websites, it’s a valuable skill to be able to automate the retrieval of that data and compile it into a format that makes it easy to research and aggregate.

OJR: What should journalism schools be doing to prepare future journalists to work in a mash-up publishing universe?

Holovaty: J-schools need to get way more technical. A graduate of a journalism school should be a master of collecting data — whether the old-fashioned way (by talking to humans) or through automated means.

The closest thing journalism schools currently have (to my knowledge) is computer-assisted reporting classes. Those classes should be required, in my opinion, and even better would be for j-schools to partner with computer-science departments so that journalism students would get some experience coding.

OJR: What types of information are newsrooms collecting right now, but most under-utilizing on their websites?

Holovaty: Much of the information that journalists collect, day to day, is structured. Information such as crime reports, obituaries and event listings always follow a certain pattern, which can be richly exploited by databases.

The majority of newspapers takes the time to *collect* this information — which is the hard part — but they dramatically reduce its value by NOT storing it in structured formats. Instead, they distill it into big blobs of text for publication in their print editions, and then they shovel those big blobs of text onto their websites. At this point, all structure is lost: Crime reports can’t be sorted or searched intelligently, and event listings can’t be viewed in any sort of user-friendly way.

The very act of distilling information into a news story — which is essentially a big blob of text — removes any sort of structure. Information is exponentially more valuable if it’s structured.

So I urge news companies to retain as much structure in their information as possible. These days, it’s easier and cheaper than ever to set up a database server. Just do it.

A few specific examples? Any sorts of public records are structured, really. Crime reports are an obvious one. Fire-station reports, local school data, transportation data. There’s a ton of this stuff.

Beyond the obvious examples, journalists should step back and consider more abstract concepts in terms of structured information. For example, just a couple of weeks ago at washingtonpost.com we databased the “key races” across the country in the 2006 elections, as determined by our editors: http://projects.washingtonpost.com/elections/keyraces/ . Each race has a name, a state/district, a number of candidates — it’s very structured, if you think about it that way. And because we’ve databased it, we’ve automated much of the tedium of updating the site, because the site runs itself, grabbing information from our database.

This sort of automation and exploitation of structured information is where I think (and hope) journalism is going.

OJR: What ought news organizations do to encourage tech innovation from their staffs?

Holovaty: Hire programmers! It all starts with the people, really. If you want innovation, hire people who are capable of it. Hire people who know what’s possible.

And once you hire the programmers, give them an environment in which they can be creative. Treat them as bona fide members of the journalism team — not as IT robots who just do what you tell them to do.

OJR: Do you think most news managers are afraid of technology? If so, how do tech-savvy journalists overcome that?

Holovaty: I’ve met both types of managers — those that are scared and those that aren’t. (For the news managers who *are* afraid of technology, you can’t blame ‘em. It’s only natural. Technology is completely changing their industry, whose rules haven’t changed drastically in a long time.)

It seems the best way to overcome the fear is to emphasize that technology can be used to further the goals of journalism. It’s reasonable for managers to be afraid of things they don’t understand, but if you boil down the specific technology to the specific journalism problems it solves, I suspect managers would be more understanding.

OJR: What is the most innovative project you’ve worked on? What was so interesting about it?

Holovaty: The projects that are most interesting to me involve reverse-engineering and altering Internet applications to do things they weren’t supposed to do, for the benefit of users. For example, a year ago I tinkered with putting CTA (Chicago Transit Authority) subway maps on Google Maps (http://holovaty.com/blog/archive/2005/04/19/0216/). It no longer works, but it was really cool. Also, I enjoyed creating the “All-Music Guide Fixer” Firefox extension, which, when installed, alters the display and functionality of allmusic.com (http://holovaty.com/blog/archive/2004/07/19/2210). This idea — site-specific user customizations of websites — eventually became the Greasemonkey Firefox extension.

In journalism, I’d have to say the most innovative project I’ve been lucky enough to work on was lawrence.com, the local entertainment site for Lawrence, Kansas. So much automated subtlety is happening behind the scenes of that site. For example, in the event calendar, an event that takes place at a bar will automatically pull out the drink specials for the day of the event. Similarly, if an event features a local band, the system automatically pulls out sound clips and creates an “If you go, you might hear these songs” sidebar. Lawrence.com has a ton of little innovations that go way beyond what most other entertainment sites do, even though the site has had these little innovations for more than three years.

OJR: What interesting projects are you working on now?

Holovaty: I’m heavily involved in the development of Django, an open-source Web framework for the Python programming language. In layperson’s speak, it’s free software that makes Web development fast and easy. We created it when I worked in Lawrence, and we open-sourced it in July 2005. It’s gotten a ton of attention, and people all over the world are using it and improving it. I’m cowriting a book about it at the moment, as well.

Aside from that, I’ve been collecting various public-record data in Chicago in preparation for the launch of my “sequel” to chicagocrime.org. Can’t say much more about this project at the moment, but I’m very excited to launch in the coming weeks!

OJR: Other that the stuff you’re working on, what technology you’ve looked at recently has grabbed your attention?

Holovaty: Generally I get excited by new APIs that various websites are launching. The Flickr APIs are a classic example: They let any programmer query the Flickr photo database via programs.

OJR: Journalism’s always been a competitive business. But what technical initiatives should news organizations be cooperating on? What opportunities, if any, are the industry missing when companies don’t work together?

Holovaty: I think news organizations should cooperate on removing mandatory Web-site registration walls, which are severely reader-unfriendly. It’s embarrassing to be associated with an industry that treats its customers with such disdain.

OJR: What online news projects have you seen recently, if any, that you thought were especially well done? (Not counting the Washington Post and other sites you’ve worked on….)

Holovaty: Off the top of my head –

* Just the other day I saw the great weather/hurricane tracking app at http://www.ibiseye.com.

* I’m consistently impressed by the stuff coming out of mySociety .

* Faneuil Media does some great work.

OJR: What tech sites do you check to keep up with the latest in mash-ups, programming and Web development?

Holovaty: Every day I check delicious popular a couple of times. That’s a good indicator of what people are talking about and the new things happening on the Web.