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		<title>By: lap ss</title>
		<link>http://www.ojr.org/journalists-cautiously-pessimistic-about-patch/#comment-2488</link>
		<dc:creator>lap ss</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Nov 2010 19:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you&#039;re right, you&#039;re a genius. If you&#039;re wrong, well, you&#039;ve left an unnatural trail of destruction behind -- all the talent scooped up, all the indie blogs that could&#039;ve been, all the local media companies that diverted investment to compete on a new front, without a clear business plan to sustainability.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you&#8217;re right, you&#8217;re a genius. If you&#8217;re wrong, well, you&#8217;ve left an unnatural trail of destruction behind &#8212; all the talent scooped up, all the indie blogs that could&#8217;ve been, all the local media companies that diverted investment to compete on a new front, without a clear business plan to sustainability.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Hernandez</title>
		<link>http://www.ojr.org/journalists-cautiously-pessimistic-about-patch/#comment-2487</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Hernandez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Nov 2010 14:48:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@Anonymous (184.77.180.42),

The typo has been fixed. Thanks!

Robert]]></description>
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<p>The typo has been fixed. Thanks!</p>
<p>Robert</p>
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		<title>By: 131.107.0.118</title>
		<link>http://www.ojr.org/journalists-cautiously-pessimistic-about-patch/#comment-2486</link>
		<dc:creator>131.107.0.118</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Nov 2010 12:02:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cory Bergman here from @nextdoormedia, a network of neighborhood blogs in Seattle.  Speaking for myself only.

I think it&#039;s great that Patch is investing in a business that I believe has so much opportunity.  And I have to say, I think they&#039;re doing good job, hiring a lot of smart people.

My only concern is the AMOUNT of investment in such a short period of time -- unprecedented in the history of local online news. By extension, AOL has the potential to be abnormally disruptive among the mom-and-pops (indie blogs) and legacy companies (newspapers) struggling to gain/regain profitability.

I think competition is terrific. It&#039;s natural that corporate competitors come into the picture with emerging business opportunities.  But there&#039;s a responsibility that emerges when a business expands faster and more aggressively than the business opportunity has proven to date. If you&#039;re right, you&#039;re a genius. If you&#039;re wrong, well, you&#039;ve left an unnatural trail of destruction behind -- all the talent scooped up, all the indie blogs that could&#039;ve been, all the local media companies that diverted investment to compete on a new front, without a clear business plan to sustainability.

It&#039;s also worth noting that in the traditional life cycle, we should be entering a time of consolidation.  But Patch has (to date) shown no interest in buying/investing in promising startups or legacy companies in the space, amplifying the disruption. Perhaps that will change, as AOL CEO Tim Armstrong hinted a couple weeks ago.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cory Bergman here from @nextdoormedia, a network of neighborhood blogs in Seattle.  Speaking for myself only.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s great that Patch is investing in a business that I believe has so much opportunity.  And I have to say, I think they&#8217;re doing good job, hiring a lot of smart people.</p>
<p>My only concern is the AMOUNT of investment in such a short period of time &#8212; unprecedented in the history of local online news. By extension, AOL has the potential to be abnormally disruptive among the mom-and-pops (indie blogs) and legacy companies (newspapers) struggling to gain/regain profitability.</p>
<p>I think competition is terrific. It&#8217;s natural that corporate competitors come into the picture with emerging business opportunities.  But there&#8217;s a responsibility that emerges when a business expands faster and more aggressively than the business opportunity has proven to date. If you&#8217;re right, you&#8217;re a genius. If you&#8217;re wrong, well, you&#8217;ve left an unnatural trail of destruction behind &#8212; all the talent scooped up, all the indie blogs that could&#8217;ve been, all the local media companies that diverted investment to compete on a new front, without a clear business plan to sustainability.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also worth noting that in the traditional life cycle, we should be entering a time of consolidation.  But Patch has (to date) shown no interest in buying/investing in promising startups or legacy companies in the space, amplifying the disruption. Perhaps that will change, as AOL CEO Tim Armstrong hinted a couple weeks ago.</p>
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		<title>By: 68.198.47.73</title>
		<link>http://www.ojr.org/journalists-cautiously-pessimistic-about-patch/#comment-2485</link>
		<dc:creator>68.198.47.73</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Nov 2010 06:24:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@68.111.138.70

Nothing you wrote makes sense. There are ads all over Patch sites where I am.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@68.111.138.70</p>
<p>Nothing you wrote makes sense. There are ads all over Patch sites where I am.</p>
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		<title>By: 184.77.180.42</title>
		<link>http://www.ojr.org/journalists-cautiously-pessimistic-about-patch/#comment-2484</link>
		<dc:creator>184.77.180.42</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Nov 2010 20:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s on Patch to prove their worth to the community (and also it&#039;s advertisers). That&#039;s capitalism. That&#039;s business. And that&#039;s why we&#039;re going to have to wait and see.

And ... &quot;it&#039;s advertisers&quot; ... that&#039;s a typo. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s on Patch to prove their worth to the community (and also it&#8217;s advertisers). That&#8217;s capitalism. That&#8217;s business. And that&#8217;s why we&#8217;re going to have to wait and see.</p>
<p>And &#8230; &#8220;it&#8217;s advertisers&#8221; &#8230; that&#8217;s a typo. </p>
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		<title>By: 68.111.138.70</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Nov 2010 18:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Patch is DOA. Everything they&#039;re doing is contrary to what it takes to succeed online. They&#039;re throwing away their $50 million, why? Tax write-off for AOL? Overstaffed, not covering communities correctly for online audiences -- simply replicatng newspapers online, while online takes a new mindset. No ads either. Huh? Something smells here, maybe the concept and management. Loally, they hired the biggest failure in local online journalism history and he/she hired their non-productive cronies. I&#039;m scratching my head on who thought they were doing what with this useless monstrosity, but I give them 18 months before the money runs out and the party is over.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patch is DOA. Everything they&#8217;re doing is contrary to what it takes to succeed online. They&#8217;re throwing away their $50 million, why? Tax write-off for AOL? Overstaffed, not covering communities correctly for online audiences &#8212; simply replicatng newspapers online, while online takes a new mindset. No ads either. Huh? Something smells here, maybe the concept and management. Loally, they hired the biggest failure in local online journalism history and he/she hired their non-productive cronies. I&#8217;m scratching my head on who thought they were doing what with this useless monstrosity, but I give them 18 months before the money runs out and the party is over.</p>
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		<title>By: 174.31.159.178</title>
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		<dc:creator>174.31.159.178</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Nov 2010 17:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Robert invited me to comment for this and I didn&#039;t get him anything in time. I have spoken out against the corporatization of neighborhood news - not only by AOL - so my sentiments are no secret to anyone who&#039;s followed this, but it&#039;s not a matter of feeling threatened.

Amy from Corona del Mar voices what I feel. If your mission - which is what AOL boss Armstrong declared at ONA 10 - is to go serve communities that aren&#039;t being served (he told a heartwarming tale about happening onto a community event that hadn&#039;t been publicized by legacy media where he lives), then why are you swooping into places where there&#039;s already plenty of news coverage? Our area is not posted for a Patch gig yet BUT there is a community less than 10 miles south that already has its own community newspaper and a community-information website.

Also, disingenuously, Patch will not discuss traffic publicly. They got a bunch of unquestioning media coverage for claiming they tripled their traffic on Election Night - but what did that really mean? 500 people in Altadena, Calif., (another town where they opened despite an existing grass-roots news site plus at least one local newspaper) tripling to 1500?

Most of all, they are doing everything the big dotcoms (of which AOL of course was one) did in the dot-boom. Building layers of management infrastructure, giving away tchotchkes, marketing marketing marketing ... One of the new Western Washington editors tweeted a link to a blurb with a photo from the regional gathering they had this week ... a stage with a big splashy logo, very glossy, very corporate, very 2000 dot-boom.

Honestly, I&#039;m not as anti-capitalist hippie as the anti-corporate sentiment may sound. But all this is just so dissonant with serving your community with a small news organization. It&#039;s one thing if they were coming into each town and opening some big glitzy enterprise, then corporate would make sense. But if someone&#039;s going to work hard, and largely alone, then why not be a community based business, keeping the money in the community, being responsive to the community, letting things grow organically ...

My only hope is that when it falls apart after AOL has burned tens of millions of dollars, some of the community journalists will have built enough of a base - in communities not otherwise served - to open their own sites. Patch will live on as an automated aggregator but somebody will still need to cover the community councils etc. They really should just cut to the chase and do it now.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Robert invited me to comment for this and I didn&#8217;t get him anything in time. I have spoken out against the corporatization of neighborhood news &#8211; not only by AOL &#8211; so my sentiments are no secret to anyone who&#8217;s followed this, but it&#8217;s not a matter of feeling threatened.</p>
<p>Amy from Corona del Mar voices what I feel. If your mission &#8211; which is what AOL boss Armstrong declared at ONA 10 &#8211; is to go serve communities that aren&#8217;t being served (he told a heartwarming tale about happening onto a community event that hadn&#8217;t been publicized by legacy media where he lives), then why are you swooping into places where there&#8217;s already plenty of news coverage? Our area is not posted for a Patch gig yet BUT there is a community less than 10 miles south that already has its own community newspaper and a community-information website.</p>
<p>Also, disingenuously, Patch will not discuss traffic publicly. They got a bunch of unquestioning media coverage for claiming they tripled their traffic on Election Night &#8211; but what did that really mean? 500 people in Altadena, Calif., (another town where they opened despite an existing grass-roots news site plus at least one local newspaper) tripling to 1500?</p>
<p>Most of all, they are doing everything the big dotcoms (of which AOL of course was one) did in the dot-boom. Building layers of management infrastructure, giving away tchotchkes, marketing marketing marketing &#8230; One of the new Western Washington editors tweeted a link to a blurb with a photo from the regional gathering they had this week &#8230; a stage with a big splashy logo, very glossy, very corporate, very 2000 dot-boom.</p>
<p>Honestly, I&#8217;m not as anti-capitalist hippie as the anti-corporate sentiment may sound. But all this is just so dissonant with serving your community with a small news organization. It&#8217;s one thing if they were coming into each town and opening some big glitzy enterprise, then corporate would make sense. But if someone&#8217;s going to work hard, and largely alone, then why not be a community based business, keeping the money in the community, being responsive to the community, letting things grow organically &#8230;</p>
<p>My only hope is that when it falls apart after AOL has burned tens of millions of dollars, some of the community journalists will have built enough of a base &#8211; in communities not otherwise served &#8211; to open their own sites. Patch will live on as an automated aggregator but somebody will still need to cover the community councils etc. They really should just cut to the chase and do it now.</p>
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		<title>By: 67.87.253.245</title>
		<link>http://www.ojr.org/journalists-cautiously-pessimistic-about-patch/#comment-2481</link>
		<dc:creator>67.87.253.245</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Nov 2010 16:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi-
I would love to share a piece I wrote about Patch in LostRemote over the summer...what we are finding in New York&#039;s backyard is the kids who work as reporters are earnest enough, but there are few of them who are local and the churn rate is high. And for patch to storm in and &quot;buy&quot; existing events and traditions is not helping them at all.
http://www.lostremote.com/2010/08/05/patch-dispatch/
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Polly Kreisman
www.theloopny.com
www.investigateny.org
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi-<br />
I would love to share a piece I wrote about Patch in LostRemote over the summer&#8230;what we are finding in New York&#8217;s backyard is the kids who work as reporters are earnest enough, but there are few of them who are local and the churn rate is high. And for patch to storm in and &#8220;buy&#8221; existing events and traditions is not helping them at all.<br />
<a href="http://www.lostremote.com/2010/08/05/patch-dispatch/" rel="nofollow">http://www.lostremote.com/2010/08/05/patch-dispatch/</a><br />
-<br />
Polly Kreisman<br />
<a href="http://www.theloopny.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.theloopny.com</a><br />
<a href="http://www.investigateny.org" rel="nofollow">http://www.investigateny.org</a></p>
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		<title>By: Kelly Smith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kelly Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Nov 2010 15:58:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just learned that Patch is coming to Echo Park, a community in Los Angeles. I&#039;m also a little pessimistic, here&#039;s why:
1. As a web designer as well, I hate the template-y look of the site
2. As a editor/owner/writer for echoparknow.com (there is only one other local news source website in the area), we&#039;ve got things well covered.
3. Yes competition is nice, but on a personal basis it isn&#039;t - I run two websites but also have a full-time job and freelance design. I don&#039;t have time for competition!
4. Did I mention how ugly the sites are?
5. On a positive note, despite the long hours mentioned in the article, journalists need jobs (and paying ones, at that)!

Will be conversing, I&#039;m sure soon, with the new editor for Echo Park, and the I guess we&#039;ll see how it goes...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just learned that Patch is coming to Echo Park, a community in Los Angeles. I&#8217;m also a little pessimistic, here&#8217;s why:<br />
1. As a web designer as well, I hate the template-y look of the site<br />
2. As a editor/owner/writer for echoparknow.com (there is only one other local news source website in the area), we&#8217;ve got things well covered.<br />
3. Yes competition is nice, but on a personal basis it isn&#8217;t &#8211; I run two websites but also have a full-time job and freelance design. I don&#8217;t have time for competition!<br />
4. Did I mention how ugly the sites are?<br />
5. On a positive note, despite the long hours mentioned in the article, journalists need jobs (and paying ones, at that)!</p>
<p>Will be conversing, I&#8217;m sure soon, with the new editor for Echo Park, and the I guess we&#8217;ll see how it goes&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: 216.109.25.121</title>
		<link>http://www.ojr.org/journalists-cautiously-pessimistic-about-patch/#comment-2479</link>
		<dc:creator>216.109.25.121</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Nov 2010 14:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think I can speak to the &quot;evilness&quot; of Patch- or at least the evil GENIUS of Patch: They saw a huge workforce that was completely desperate for work, in a field that is shrinking at a frightening rate- and they exploited it. They got in at the perfect time, to snatch up super talented and experienced journalists who would work their butts off for just pennies a day- because the only alternative was unemployment. I really have to give credit to AOL for such a genius move.

I&#039;m surprised to see that people are wondering why Patch came into their neighborhood, when their neighborhood is already served well by local media. Is it news to them that the goal of corporations is to make money? Obviously, AOL is going where the money is, in the form of advertisers. If you try to credit them with wanting to &quot;serve communities&quot; or something along those lines, your thinking is way off. This is not a &quot;startup&quot; born of someone&#039;s passion to do good, or provide something of value. This is a major corporation being greedy for a profit. That&#039;s all.

For the reasons I mentioned above, I think Patch is a detriment to journalism as a craft, and an insult to journalists who are sincere and passionate about serving society.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I can speak to the &#8220;evilness&#8221; of Patch- or at least the evil GENIUS of Patch: They saw a huge workforce that was completely desperate for work, in a field that is shrinking at a frightening rate- and they exploited it. They got in at the perfect time, to snatch up super talented and experienced journalists who would work their butts off for just pennies a day- because the only alternative was unemployment. I really have to give credit to AOL for such a genius move.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m surprised to see that people are wondering why Patch came into their neighborhood, when their neighborhood is already served well by local media. Is it news to them that the goal of corporations is to make money? Obviously, AOL is going where the money is, in the form of advertisers. If you try to credit them with wanting to &#8220;serve communities&#8221; or something along those lines, your thinking is way off. This is not a &#8220;startup&#8221; born of someone&#8217;s passion to do good, or provide something of value. This is a major corporation being greedy for a profit. That&#8217;s all.</p>
<p>For the reasons I mentioned above, I think Patch is a detriment to journalism as a craft, and an insult to journalists who are sincere and passionate about serving society.</p>
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