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		<title>By: 163.192.21.43</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 11:02:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wow.

As a young journalist, I found this post really spoke to me, but when reading the comments, many of them seemed rather defensive.

I&#039;ll be honest, I don&#039;t watch much broadcast news, and the broadcast news I do catch is national (CNN, Fox News -- not usually by choice).  I just don&#039;t find it very trustworthy, and I question the kind of news judgment that gets Obama&#039;s pastor talked about for weeks and little focus on real issues in this election like education or the national debt.

-Pattie]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow.</p>
<p>As a young journalist, I found this post really spoke to me, but when reading the comments, many of them seemed rather defensive.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll be honest, I don&#8217;t watch much broadcast news, and the broadcast news I do catch is national (CNN, Fox News &#8212; not usually by choice).  I just don&#8217;t find it very trustworthy, and I question the kind of news judgment that gets Obama&#8217;s pastor talked about for weeks and little focus on real issues in this election like education or the national debt.</p>
<p>-Pattie</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Mankin</title>
		<link>http://www.ojr.org/p1497/#comment-1272</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Mankin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 16:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Oh, please.

&gt;I agree with the post that said a journalist&#039;s job is to report both sides, present a complete picture, and let the reader decide what to think.

Except take a situation you have two sides. One side is clearly, obviously lying. But both sides say the other is lying. The evidence provided by one side is clearly a lie; not allegedly a lie. So you just say &quot;both sides say the other is lying?&quot; Or do you do an independent investigation of the claims?

Or take a situation now in the news. The expert specialists who have spent their lives studying planetary atmospheric science say that human activity is changing the climate, with potentially catastrophic results. A Danish business school adjunct professor says this is wrong. Equal emphasis to both sides?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, please.</p>
<p>>I agree with the post that said a journalist&#8217;s job is to report both sides, present a complete picture, and let the reader decide what to think.</p>
<p>Except take a situation you have two sides. One side is clearly, obviously lying. But both sides say the other is lying. The evidence provided by one side is clearly a lie; not allegedly a lie. So you just say &#8220;both sides say the other is lying?&#8221; Or do you do an independent investigation of the claims?</p>
<p>Or take a situation now in the news. The expert specialists who have spent their lives studying planetary atmospheric science say that human activity is changing the climate, with potentially catastrophic results. A Danish business school adjunct professor says this is wrong. Equal emphasis to both sides?</p>
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		<title>By: 24.58.203.63</title>
		<link>http://www.ojr.org/p1497/#comment-1271</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Jun 2008 04:55:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a reporter on the street for nearly 20 years - and a small town news director for the last ten years - I have a different take, one which I pass on to my youngsters.

TV news is a restrictive form - it&#039;s like a sonata, haiku, comic strip in the paper or, closest to my heart, like a blues song.

A reporter goes out and &#039;plays&#039; the same handful of tunes each night - a murder, a government meeting, a story about gas prices.

The trick that separates the good from the not-so-good is what you do within the form, how you find the new detail, what part of the story gets your attention, what the words are and how you say them, the look on someone&#039;s face when you ask a question on camera, the dozens of little ways one report is distinguished from another.

It&#039;s not, as a rule, how you re-invent it.

And because you&#039;re like a blues or jazz musician, and you&#039;re out playing every night, (I know there&#039;s a certain mythologizing at work here), you can expect to suck on occasion, be brilliant once in a blue moon and be fighting it to a draw most of the time.

Which also means that what counts is the long haul, and that people both want the story and the story-teller, if you&#039;re doing your job right.

I hope the above doesn&#039;t sound silly, but it really is how I view the work and what I try to pass on. We could do with a little less of &quot;it&#039;s bankrupt&quot; and a little more of &quot;how do we make it sing?&quot;

best,

Scott Atkinson
News Director
WWNY TV
Watertown NY ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a reporter on the street for nearly 20 years &#8211; and a small town news director for the last ten years &#8211; I have a different take, one which I pass on to my youngsters.</p>
<p>TV news is a restrictive form &#8211; it&#8217;s like a sonata, haiku, comic strip in the paper or, closest to my heart, like a blues song.</p>
<p>A reporter goes out and &#8216;plays&#8217; the same handful of tunes each night &#8211; a murder, a government meeting, a story about gas prices.</p>
<p>The trick that separates the good from the not-so-good is what you do within the form, how you find the new detail, what part of the story gets your attention, what the words are and how you say them, the look on someone&#8217;s face when you ask a question on camera, the dozens of little ways one report is distinguished from another.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not, as a rule, how you re-invent it.</p>
<p>And because you&#8217;re like a blues or jazz musician, and you&#8217;re out playing every night, (I know there&#8217;s a certain mythologizing at work here), you can expect to suck on occasion, be brilliant once in a blue moon and be fighting it to a draw most of the time.</p>
<p>Which also means that what counts is the long haul, and that people both want the story and the story-teller, if you&#8217;re doing your job right.</p>
<p>I hope the above doesn&#8217;t sound silly, but it really is how I view the work and what I try to pass on. We could do with a little less of &#8220;it&#8217;s bankrupt&#8221; and a little more of &#8220;how do we make it sing?&#8221;</p>
<p>best,</p>
<p>Scott Atkinson<br />
News Director<br />
WWNY TV<br />
Watertown NY </p>
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		<title>By: 69.29.68.163</title>
		<link>http://www.ojr.org/p1497/#comment-1270</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Jun 2008 08:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I agree with the post that said a journalist&#039;s job is to report both sides, present a complete picture, and let the reader decide what to think.

Too often, I fear, we presume that the public needs to be told how to think. We don&#039;t give them enough credit for being able to think for themselves.

I believe that this practice of drawing conclusions has added to the distrust of the media because those conclusions aren&#039;t always accurate. Why open yourself up to that possibility instead of sticking to your job? The public doesn&#039;t ask us for our opinion, only the truth of both sides.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with the post that said a journalist&#8217;s job is to report both sides, present a complete picture, and let the reader decide what to think.</p>
<p>Too often, I fear, we presume that the public needs to be told how to think. We don&#8217;t give them enough credit for being able to think for themselves.</p>
<p>I believe that this practice of drawing conclusions has added to the distrust of the media because those conclusions aren&#8217;t always accurate. Why open yourself up to that possibility instead of sticking to your job? The public doesn&#8217;t ask us for our opinion, only the truth of both sides.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Mankin</title>
		<link>http://www.ojr.org/p1497/#comment-1269</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric Mankin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 16:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think it&#039;s mysterious why even professinal journalists don&#039;t want to spend a lot of time watching tv news: it&#039;s too slow, and it&#039;s a total prisoner of needing images, and it has great difficulty with complicated stories that don&#039;t have obvious visual aids.

I keep thinking that some hot young tv reporter is going to get a copy of PowerPoint and think - you know, I could do something with this that would actually have some weight - it would have visuals, but it would tell the story. And then I hear the hack editor tell her to cover the 5-car pileup at the bridge.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s mysterious why even professinal journalists don&#8217;t want to spend a lot of time watching tv news: it&#8217;s too slow, and it&#8217;s a total prisoner of needing images, and it has great difficulty with complicated stories that don&#8217;t have obvious visual aids.</p>
<p>I keep thinking that some hot young tv reporter is going to get a copy of PowerPoint and think &#8211; you know, I could do something with this that would actually have some weight &#8211; it would have visuals, but it would tell the story. And then I hear the hack editor tell her to cover the 5-car pileup at the bridge.</p>
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		<title>By: 70.225.249.130</title>
		<link>http://www.ojr.org/p1497/#comment-1268</link>
		<dc:creator>70.225.249.130</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 13:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This professor should spend more time teaching his students that there are reasons for some of those crusty, old, uncool, unhip, formulaic traditions in journalism... THE FIRST ONE BEING THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN REPORTING NEWS AND EDITORIALIZING.

It sounds like his students don&#039;t know the difference and don&#039;t care; all they rail about is content and delivery... so now they&#039;re supposed to be the new wave, the romantic Gen Nexter geniuses because they want to be cool and do the Daily Show?  These young hucksters--actually the ones before them--are the reason that broadcast news is in the state it&#039;s in.  They don&#039;t have an ingrained journalistic compass TO TRY AND KEEP THEIR OWN BIASES OUT OF THE STORY AND TO GO THE EXTRA MILE FOR ACCURACY AND SOURCED INFORMATION.

This professor should be pounding into his students that the Daily Show is NOT NEWS, it is ENTERTAINMENT and they shouldn&#039;t be pretending it is news because it&#039;s fun hip and cool.  NEWS is that unvarnished, boring communication of facts that inform the public.  THIS IS A RESPONSIBILITY AS MUCH AS IT IS A JOB AND (FOR THESE KIDS AT LEAST) SOME KIND OF COOL FRAT GAME.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This professor should spend more time teaching his students that there are reasons for some of those crusty, old, uncool, unhip, formulaic traditions in journalism&#8230; THE FIRST ONE BEING THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN REPORTING NEWS AND EDITORIALIZING.</p>
<p>It sounds like his students don&#8217;t know the difference and don&#8217;t care; all they rail about is content and delivery&#8230; so now they&#8217;re supposed to be the new wave, the romantic Gen Nexter geniuses because they want to be cool and do the Daily Show?  These young hucksters&#8211;actually the ones before them&#8211;are the reason that broadcast news is in the state it&#8217;s in.  They don&#8217;t have an ingrained journalistic compass TO TRY AND KEEP THEIR OWN BIASES OUT OF THE STORY AND TO GO THE EXTRA MILE FOR ACCURACY AND SOURCED INFORMATION.</p>
<p>This professor should be pounding into his students that the Daily Show is NOT NEWS, it is ENTERTAINMENT and they shouldn&#8217;t be pretending it is news because it&#8217;s fun hip and cool.  NEWS is that unvarnished, boring communication of facts that inform the public.  THIS IS A RESPONSIBILITY AS MUCH AS IT IS A JOB AND (FOR THESE KIDS AT LEAST) SOME KIND OF COOL FRAT GAME.</p>
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		<title>By: 66.93.34.228</title>
		<link>http://www.ojr.org/p1497/#comment-1267</link>
		<dc:creator>66.93.34.228</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Jun 2008 11:33:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I wuit watching television news about two years ago. I refuse to watch that tripe. What viewers want? Please. It is what is forced upon us. As for advertisers, most people mute or else Tivo shows to skip ads. Advertising and television news as formatted is the past.

My kids get all their news online or from the Daily Show or Colbert.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wuit watching television news about two years ago. I refuse to watch that tripe. What viewers want? Please. It is what is forced upon us. As for advertisers, most people mute or else Tivo shows to skip ads. Advertising and television news as formatted is the past.</p>
<p>My kids get all their news online or from the Daily Show or Colbert.</p>
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		<title>By: 72.219.130.194</title>
		<link>http://www.ojr.org/p1497/#comment-1266</link>
		<dc:creator>72.219.130.194</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 13:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a professor of journalism, I realize the importance of showing students the realities of the job market. As a former daily newspaper reporter, I reject the notion that there is something wrong with conventional journalism, so we need to trash it for a brave new multimedia world. Old media fuel the Internet&#039;s best stories. There are still important, quite traditional skills students need to learn to identify stories and figure out the best way to present them.

The inverted pyramid is still absolutely essential to the gathering of news. It&#039;s not a dead form, but it&#039;s a way of thinking about what&#039;s most critical, a triage system if you will. TV and radio need it. The Internet needs it. Jon Stewart is great, but I prefer Eric Lichtblau of The New York Times.  Lichtblau (who won the Pulitzer Prize in 2006 has employed traditional journalistic values and done the nation proud. I wll always urge students to read, read, read.

Only the headlines make it to TV oftentimes.



Best regards,

Sara-Ellen Amster, Ph.D.
Lead faculty for journalism program
National University]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a professor of journalism, I realize the importance of showing students the realities of the job market. As a former daily newspaper reporter, I reject the notion that there is something wrong with conventional journalism, so we need to trash it for a brave new multimedia world. Old media fuel the Internet&#8217;s best stories. There are still important, quite traditional skills students need to learn to identify stories and figure out the best way to present them.</p>
<p>The inverted pyramid is still absolutely essential to the gathering of news. It&#8217;s not a dead form, but it&#8217;s a way of thinking about what&#8217;s most critical, a triage system if you will. TV and radio need it. The Internet needs it. Jon Stewart is great, but I prefer Eric Lichtblau of The New York Times.  Lichtblau (who won the Pulitzer Prize in 2006 has employed traditional journalistic values and done the nation proud. I wll always urge students to read, read, read.</p>
<p>Only the headlines make it to TV oftentimes.</p>
<p>Best regards,</p>
<p>Sara-Ellen Amster, Ph.D.<br />
Lead faculty for journalism program<br />
National University</p>
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		<title>By: Sudarshan Borpatragohain</title>
		<link>http://www.ojr.org/p1497/#comment-1265</link>
		<dc:creator>Sudarshan Borpatragohain</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 11:15:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I work in Pune, India, as a sub-editor for a newspaper called THE INDIAN EXPRESS.
I think the traditional 5 w&#039;s and 1H of journalism are very well covered in televison news reports. Where the problem starts,is when television tries to move beyond them. The inherent superficiality of the medium gets exposed.
Even Joseph Leyveld, when he was in India, recently said that &quot;...television is sort of over. It]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I work in Pune, India, as a sub-editor for a newspaper called THE INDIAN EXPRESS.<br />
I think the traditional 5 w&#8217;s and 1H of journalism are very well covered in televison news reports. Where the problem starts,is when television tries to move beyond them. The inherent superficiality of the medium gets exposed.<br />
Even Joseph Leyveld, when he was in India, recently said that &#8220;&#8230;television is sort of over. It</p>
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		<title>By: 96.226.40.125</title>
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		<dc:creator>96.226.40.125</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Jun 2008 09:18:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That is disappointing that the students can&#039;t see the bigger picture that news outlets provide information for the readers/viewers to reach their own conclusions. As a journalist, I do NOT appreciate people like Jon Stewart or the Colbert Report drawing their conclusions for me regarding the news. I would rather it be handed to me - tell me both sides and let me decide what I think about it.

I weep for our future.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is disappointing that the students can&#8217;t see the bigger picture that news outlets provide information for the readers/viewers to reach their own conclusions. As a journalist, I do NOT appreciate people like Jon Stewart or the Colbert Report drawing their conclusions for me regarding the news. I would rather it be handed to me &#8211; tell me both sides and let me decide what I think about it.</p>
<p>I weep for our future.</p>
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