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		<title>By: 71.240.215.187</title>
		<link>http://www.ojr.org/p1627/#comment-1623</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Jan 2009 07:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s a very noble approach until you consider that most of these newspapers make money - they just bleed cash in their newsrooms covering trivial things, including things they already pay the AP to cover. It&#039;s not the cost of paper or the economy, it&#039;s the bad financial management. We&#039;re not numbers people and it&#039;s showing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a very noble approach until you consider that most of these newspapers make money &#8211; they just bleed cash in their newsrooms covering trivial things, including things they already pay the AP to cover. It&#8217;s not the cost of paper or the economy, it&#8217;s the bad financial management. We&#8217;re not numbers people and it&#8217;s showing.</p>
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		<title>By: 76.87.138.190</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jan 2009 08:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Newspapers, or as they are euphemistically but more accurately known in my little section of LA County, Coupon Delivery Systems, have far outlasted their usefulness in this country, at least in their modern form. Newspapers were at one time viewed as indispensable props of liberty, but today have become one-note Mollies, each of them reflecting the same leftish worldview (with relatively minor local variations) and carrying the same AP, NYT, Reuters-generated stories. Even at the local level, the Coupon Delivery Vehicle I happen to take, the LA Daily News, has maybe one or two actual news stories per edition generated by its own reporters. I guess a case can be made that we need to know about local issues in order to be informed voters, except that the space and energy devoted to telling us (or strongly hinting) what we&#039;re supposed to think about the news and how we&#039;re supposed to vote far exceeds the space and energy devoted to the raw news itself. Sheesh. It was bad enough when local papers were simply assuming (prior to the last election) that Prop 8--our anti-sodomite marriage proposal--would fail, but you should have seen the glut of tear-jerkers and agenda-driven &quot;reporting&quot; foisted on us in the wake of its passage. The whole charade just makes me sick. May these papers die the deaths they so richly deserve. I think a truly independent paper--which would be almost by definition a humbler, more conservative paper--that reflected the actual views and interests of its readers would have no trouble finding loyal subscribers.

I realize this is slightly off the subject, as I&#039;m supposed to be commenting on the idea of seeking philanthropic help for papers&#039; news-gathering efforts, but I should hope my view about that is clear enough: don&#039;t bother. If you&#039;re failing it&#039;s because you&#039;re failing your readers and they don&#039;t want your product. It&#039;s Mr. Smith&#039;s &quot;invisible hand&quot; at work. Now that alternatives exist, your formerly captive readers are abandoning you for them, weeding you out of the marketplace like last week&#039;s Pravda. Seeking to prop yourselves up via charity is simply a transparent (and frankly, risible) attempt to hold onto your ability to influence and mold the public, your primary aim not having been to serve them. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Newspapers, or as they are euphemistically but more accurately known in my little section of LA County, Coupon Delivery Systems, have far outlasted their usefulness in this country, at least in their modern form. Newspapers were at one time viewed as indispensable props of liberty, but today have become one-note Mollies, each of them reflecting the same leftish worldview (with relatively minor local variations) and carrying the same AP, NYT, Reuters-generated stories. Even at the local level, the Coupon Delivery Vehicle I happen to take, the LA Daily News, has maybe one or two actual news stories per edition generated by its own reporters. I guess a case can be made that we need to know about local issues in order to be informed voters, except that the space and energy devoted to telling us (or strongly hinting) what we&#8217;re supposed to think about the news and how we&#8217;re supposed to vote far exceeds the space and energy devoted to the raw news itself. Sheesh. It was bad enough when local papers were simply assuming (prior to the last election) that Prop 8&#8211;our anti-sodomite marriage proposal&#8211;would fail, but you should have seen the glut of tear-jerkers and agenda-driven &#8220;reporting&#8221; foisted on us in the wake of its passage. The whole charade just makes me sick. May these papers die the deaths they so richly deserve. I think a truly independent paper&#8211;which would be almost by definition a humbler, more conservative paper&#8211;that reflected the actual views and interests of its readers would have no trouble finding loyal subscribers.</p>
<p>I realize this is slightly off the subject, as I&#8217;m supposed to be commenting on the idea of seeking philanthropic help for papers&#8217; news-gathering efforts, but I should hope my view about that is clear enough: don&#8217;t bother. If you&#8217;re failing it&#8217;s because you&#8217;re failing your readers and they don&#8217;t want your product. It&#8217;s Mr. Smith&#8217;s &#8220;invisible hand&#8221; at work. Now that alternatives exist, your formerly captive readers are abandoning you for them, weeding you out of the marketplace like last week&#8217;s Pravda. Seeking to prop yourselves up via charity is simply a transparent (and frankly, risible) attempt to hold onto your ability to influence and mold the public, your primary aim not having been to serve them. </p>
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		<title>By: Jeff Fobes</title>
		<link>http://www.ojr.org/p1627/#comment-1621</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeff Fobes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 21:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Philanthropic-income sources, odd though they may seem, are likely to be more supportive of fourth-estate functions than advertisers. Subscriber charges seem the most in line, though insufficient.

But media&#039;s call nowadays to protect the fourth estate seems oddly disingenuous, when corporate media giants have treated governmental power as more of a threat to multinationals (like themselves) than to individuals, and treated readers more like consumers than citizens in need of information to govern themselves.

But we&#039;re clearly in the midst of a (virtual) revolution.

Likely, the self-organizing features of the internet (and its social-networking tools) will result in new patterns of revenue flows (as well as information flows) ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Philanthropic-income sources, odd though they may seem, are likely to be more supportive of fourth-estate functions than advertisers. Subscriber charges seem the most in line, though insufficient.</p>
<p>But media&#8217;s call nowadays to protect the fourth estate seems oddly disingenuous, when corporate media giants have treated governmental power as more of a threat to multinationals (like themselves) than to individuals, and treated readers more like consumers than citizens in need of information to govern themselves.</p>
<p>But we&#8217;re clearly in the midst of a (virtual) revolution.</p>
<p>Likely, the self-organizing features of the internet (and its social-networking tools) will result in new patterns of revenue flows (as well as information flows) </p>
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		<title>By: 75.147.164.225</title>
		<link>http://www.ojr.org/p1627/#comment-1620</link>
		<dc:creator>75.147.164.225</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 08:59:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Seeking donations to support a dying newspaper industry is sad.  Newspapers are owned by corporate giants and still have margins larger than most businesses.  The problem is those corporations have leveraged so much debt they can no longer service that debt with shrinking revenues.  It would be shameful if newspapers took donations that should go to worthy public service organizations.  Newspapers must learn to operate with the new technologies and on less than they have in the past.  Welcome to the 21st Century.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seeking donations to support a dying newspaper industry is sad.  Newspapers are owned by corporate giants and still have margins larger than most businesses.  The problem is those corporations have leveraged so much debt they can no longer service that debt with shrinking revenues.  It would be shameful if newspapers took donations that should go to worthy public service organizations.  Newspapers must learn to operate with the new technologies and on less than they have in the past.  Welcome to the 21st Century.</p>
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		<title>By: 68.203.168.13</title>
		<link>http://www.ojr.org/p1627/#comment-1619</link>
		<dc:creator>68.203.168.13</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Jan 2009 07:48:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a former editor at Rumbo newspaper in San Antonio, a Spanish language daily published in that city from 2004 to 2008, I can attest that the San Antonio Express News does not represent, in anyway, the city&#039;s diversity. Mr Rivard himself expressed in a editorial as soon as we arrived that their research showed that they was not enough Spanish speakers in town to merit a newspaper. We did not find an ad market, true, but there are thousands of first generation immigrants in the city that loved our work and constantly assured us that the Express News did not serve their information needs. I am not suprised with Mr Rivards &quot;shocked&quot; response to the video project, as he would love to keep the monopoly the Express News holds on news as long as possible. This new project is definitely welcomed by the Spanish-speaking and Latino community in San Antonio.
Gabriel Sama]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a former editor at Rumbo newspaper in San Antonio, a Spanish language daily published in that city from 2004 to 2008, I can attest that the San Antonio Express News does not represent, in anyway, the city&#8217;s diversity. Mr Rivard himself expressed in a editorial as soon as we arrived that their research showed that they was not enough Spanish speakers in town to merit a newspaper. We did not find an ad market, true, but there are thousands of first generation immigrants in the city that loved our work and constantly assured us that the Express News did not serve their information needs. I am not suprised with Mr Rivards &#8220;shocked&#8221; response to the video project, as he would love to keep the monopoly the Express News holds on news as long as possible. This new project is definitely welcomed by the Spanish-speaking and Latino community in San Antonio.<br />
Gabriel Sama</p>
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