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	<title>Comments on: How early online newspaper production tools led the industry down the wrong path</title>
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		<title>By: 69.226.253.114</title>
		<link>http://www.ojr.org/p1761/#comment-1989</link>
		<dc:creator>69.226.253.114</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 12:45:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[when we look back to the time frame you mentioned, it&#039;s important to remember that newspapers were fat and happy and enjoying margins over 25% year over year. In other words, they had little incentive to evolve beyond their print monopolies. They simply believed the status quo would last forever.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>when we look back to the time frame you mentioned, it&#8217;s important to remember that newspapers were fat and happy and enjoying margins over 25% year over year. In other words, they had little incentive to evolve beyond their print monopolies. They simply believed the status quo would last forever.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Carmichael</title>
		<link>http://www.ojr.org/p1761/#comment-1988</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt Carmichael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 23 Jul 2009 10:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Having kicked around online publishing in the mid-90s, I think there are a couple of other big factors at play. First was the lack of real audience. As many papers started going online there just weren&#039;t that many people with access to the Internet. Putting up barriers like a pay-model would just have insured that the few thousand readers with modems wouldn&#039;t bother connecting to our site.
But the real gating technology issue was the lack of viable e-commerce. Even if publishers had wanted to charge for their content, or tie it to print subscriptions, there just wasn&#039;t an easy way to accomplish that at first. Even ticketmaster.com was launched with no way to buy tickets.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having kicked around online publishing in the mid-90s, I think there are a couple of other big factors at play. First was the lack of real audience. As many papers started going online there just weren&#8217;t that many people with access to the Internet. Putting up barriers like a pay-model would just have insured that the few thousand readers with modems wouldn&#8217;t bother connecting to our site.<br />
But the real gating technology issue was the lack of viable e-commerce. Even if publishers had wanted to charge for their content, or tie it to print subscriptions, there just wasn&#8217;t an easy way to accomplish that at first. Even ticketmaster.com was launched with no way to buy tickets.</p>
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		<title>By: 90.184.177.235</title>
		<link>http://www.ojr.org/p1761/#comment-1987</link>
		<dc:creator>90.184.177.235</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jul 2009 12:33:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What many industry participants fails to see is the role of bargain (the plain rules of economics).
Tear away all software, all workflows and all efforts to make it into the web bizz; the bottomline was and still is: newspapers purely giving away every asset for free.
If only this industry would have had a wide range of assets, but it did not. The industry had one: News. And noone dared to even try setting a price for it.
It had to be free - said who?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What many industry participants fails to see is the role of bargain (the plain rules of economics).<br />
Tear away all software, all workflows and all efforts to make it into the web bizz; the bottomline was and still is: newspapers purely giving away every asset for free.<br />
If only this industry would have had a wide range of assets, but it did not. The industry had one: News. And noone dared to even try setting a price for it.<br />
It had to be free &#8211; said who?</p>
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		<title>By: ponlayook meemeskul</title>
		<link>http://www.ojr.org/p1761/#comment-1986</link>
		<dc:creator>ponlayook meemeskul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Jul 2009 07:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The word news and newspaper are always associated with the sense of speed. I believe I could quite catch the feeling of frustration that you tried to describe about publishing things onto web format in the last decade era...having to remain superfast with the news at hand while having to face with new learning curve of the new technology.
Somehow, even though with current technology evolves the tools to be much better and easier to use, like the all available CMS like joomla / wordpress / VIVVO, the frustration then moved to some other new requirement to compete : the struggle to stand out from the gigantic amount of &#039;Pages&#039; on the web.

These days, any one can publish. High school kids have their own blogs, publishing their own creativity. Especially when people are starting to understand google&#039;s algorithm. Professional journalist with &#039;REAL&#039; content are struggling to compete against &#039;Adsense earners&#039; who don&#039;t have real content but know how to get their page ranked no.1 in google.

I think this change should be much more frustrated. And i sense that another change will be brought into the flow of information highway again very soon.
Big Change. With BING enters the market. I&#039;m sure google will change their algorithm again, and let&#039;s see....whose content...despite the technology used to create it, will get to be &#039;saw&#039; by millions of people using search engines.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The word news and newspaper are always associated with the sense of speed. I believe I could quite catch the feeling of frustration that you tried to describe about publishing things onto web format in the last decade era&#8230;having to remain superfast with the news at hand while having to face with new learning curve of the new technology.<br />
Somehow, even though with current technology evolves the tools to be much better and easier to use, like the all available CMS like joomla / wordpress / VIVVO, the frustration then moved to some other new requirement to compete : the struggle to stand out from the gigantic amount of &#8216;Pages&#8217; on the web.</p>
<p>These days, any one can publish. High school kids have their own blogs, publishing their own creativity. Especially when people are starting to understand google&#8217;s algorithm. Professional journalist with &#8216;REAL&#8217; content are struggling to compete against &#8216;Adsense earners&#8217; who don&#8217;t have real content but know how to get their page ranked no.1 in google.</p>
<p>I think this change should be much more frustrated. And i sense that another change will be brought into the flow of information highway again very soon.<br />
Big Change. With BING enters the market. I&#8217;m sure google will change their algorithm again, and let&#8217;s see&#8230;.whose content&#8230;despite the technology used to create it, will get to be &#8216;saw&#8217; by millions of people using search engines.</p>
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		<title>By: Perry Gaskill</title>
		<link>http://www.ojr.org/p1761/#comment-1985</link>
		<dc:creator>Perry Gaskill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 16:18:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting take on the technical background to some of the current issues, Robert.  I could be wrong, but I also have a sense that at least part of the problem, to this day, is due to an effort by newspaper software vendors to somehow augment legacy print systems to be web capable. There&#039;s also a sense that instead of making the augment split off at the point of text entry, that it tended to occur further along in the workflow which made the web capability less nimble in terms of change.

It&#039;s also interesting to note your followup clarification about the split between what publishers perceived as recurrent operating costs and one-time capital outlay. A lack of understanding, one would assume, about the differences between the initial heavy lifting to lay a foundation, those things which are going to be anticipated costs to make a news site evolve as technology changes, and those things which are day-to-day expenses. There also needs to be factored into this the lack of a tangible business model to make the news site be self-supporting at a quality level equivalent to the print product. Something which is still unresolved.

That said, it should be also noted that we are now working with the benefit of hindsight, and that some of the decisions made by news publishers more than a decade ago probably made perfect sense at the time. That they were proved wrong is because technology went in a direction no one could have anticipated. It also seems to me a more important question is what to do about it now. How do you jettison existing dysfunctional baggage and replace it with something better for the longer term? My own ideas for fundamental change tend to go something like this:

The news industry needs to move beyond the idea of using proprietary vendors or custom solutions to build and maintain websites. For the sake of its own survival there needs to be a cooperative effort among publishers to develop a standard reference, an online news publishing platform using an open source model. If Wikipedia and WordPress can do it, why can&#039;t news publishers?

I could have missed it, but have yet to see any common online forum for discussion on those topics related to the broader view of the coding process involved in putting news online. Late last month, for example, Every Block released its Python source code and the event breezed by with very little mention.

One of the major reasons the online news business model is broken is because legacy advertising models don&#039;t work anymore. Instead of having print &quot;up-sell&quot; to the web, online news sites should be moving into marketing services to help local merchants sell stuff. There is a huge untapped realm out there of possibilities but so far what we&#039;re seeing is news organizations waiting around until somebody else invents something.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting take on the technical background to some of the current issues, Robert.  I could be wrong, but I also have a sense that at least part of the problem, to this day, is due to an effort by newspaper software vendors to somehow augment legacy print systems to be web capable. There&#8217;s also a sense that instead of making the augment split off at the point of text entry, that it tended to occur further along in the workflow which made the web capability less nimble in terms of change.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s also interesting to note your followup clarification about the split between what publishers perceived as recurrent operating costs and one-time capital outlay. A lack of understanding, one would assume, about the differences between the initial heavy lifting to lay a foundation, those things which are going to be anticipated costs to make a news site evolve as technology changes, and those things which are day-to-day expenses. There also needs to be factored into this the lack of a tangible business model to make the news site be self-supporting at a quality level equivalent to the print product. Something which is still unresolved.</p>
<p>That said, it should be also noted that we are now working with the benefit of hindsight, and that some of the decisions made by news publishers more than a decade ago probably made perfect sense at the time. That they were proved wrong is because technology went in a direction no one could have anticipated. It also seems to me a more important question is what to do about it now. How do you jettison existing dysfunctional baggage and replace it with something better for the longer term? My own ideas for fundamental change tend to go something like this:</p>
<p>The news industry needs to move beyond the idea of using proprietary vendors or custom solutions to build and maintain websites. For the sake of its own survival there needs to be a cooperative effort among publishers to develop a standard reference, an online news publishing platform using an open source model. If Wikipedia and WordPress can do it, why can&#8217;t news publishers?</p>
<p>I could have missed it, but have yet to see any common online forum for discussion on those topics related to the broader view of the coding process involved in putting news online. Late last month, for example, Every Block released its Python source code and the event breezed by with very little mention.</p>
<p>One of the major reasons the online news business model is broken is because legacy advertising models don&#8217;t work anymore. Instead of having print &#8220;up-sell&#8221; to the web, online news sites should be moving into marketing services to help local merchants sell stuff. There is a huge untapped realm out there of possibilities but so far what we&#8217;re seeing is news organizations waiting around until somebody else invents something.</p>
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		<title>By: 75.82.196.202</title>
		<link>http://www.ojr.org/p1761/#comment-1984</link>
		<dc:creator>75.82.196.202</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 08:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Atex was a big problem for you, where if you might have had Xyvision, you life may have been simpler...

but...

I think that this has nothing to do with why newspapers are tanking. It is the indeed the distribution model change. Like record labels failed to adjust to how music is now distributed, so goes it for newspapers.

Book Publisher are next.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Atex was a big problem for you, where if you might have had Xyvision, you life may have been simpler&#8230;</p>
<p>but&#8230;</p>
<p>I think that this has nothing to do with why newspapers are tanking. It is the indeed the distribution model change. Like record labels failed to adjust to how music is now distributed, so goes it for newspapers.</p>
<p>Book Publisher are next.</p>
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		<title>By: 24.124.4.116</title>
		<link>http://www.ojr.org/p1761/#comment-1983</link>
		<dc:creator>24.124.4.116</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 08:35:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[From my experience, most publishers didn&#039;t have a clue then about what was required, so I can&#039;t agree with your assumption that one thing led to another.
Unfortunately, they don&#039;t have a clue now either.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From my experience, most publishers didn&#8217;t have a clue then about what was required, so I can&#8217;t agree with your assumption that one thing led to another.<br />
Unfortunately, they don&#8217;t have a clue now either.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Niles</title>
		<link>http://www.ojr.org/p1761/#comment-1982</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Niles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Jul 2009 07:34:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I want to be clear that I am not blaming the tech here. I&#039;m blaming the management mindset that the tech reinforced. What newspaper managers failed to recognize is that online production and porting content from legacy systems were, in fact, &lt;i&gt;two&lt;/i&gt; issues. They were conflated in many managers&#039; minds, and that created the problem.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I want to be clear that I am not blaming the tech here. I&#8217;m blaming the management mindset that the tech reinforced. What newspaper managers failed to recognize is that online production and porting content from legacy systems were, in fact, <i>two</i> issues. They were conflated in many managers&#8217; minds, and that created the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: 124.170.153.211</title>
		<link>http://www.ojr.org/p1761/#comment-1981</link>
		<dc:creator>124.170.153.211</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 23:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think the only mindset problem is that the technical barriers were high. The two elephant in the room is that they are not really thinking about search (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.drivelry.com/online-news-bloggers-v-newspapers-will-the-lowest-cost-base-win/218/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;some examples here&lt;/a&gt;).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think the only mindset problem is that the technical barriers were high. The two elephant in the room is that they are not really thinking about search (<a href="http://www.drivelry.com/online-news-bloggers-v-newspapers-will-the-lowest-cost-base-win/218/" rel="nofollow">some examples here</a>).</p>
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		<title>By: 66.177.143.42</title>
		<link>http://www.ojr.org/p1761/#comment-1980</link>
		<dc:creator>66.177.143.42</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Jul 2009 21:11:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In other words, you faced having some poor tools and never considered attempting anything else. Lost opportunity, no doubt, but the tools to blame?
There were so many simple ideas like Craigslist that worked, but only for those who had the idea and did the work at the right time.
I don&#039;t see your point.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In other words, you faced having some poor tools and never considered attempting anything else. Lost opportunity, no doubt, but the tools to blame?<br />
There were so many simple ideas like Craigslist that worked, but only for those who had the idea and did the work at the right time.<br />
I don&#8217;t see your point.</p>
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