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		<title>By: 74.70.76.124</title>
		<link>http://www.ojr.org/p1814/#comment-2229</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jan 2010 07:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve never tried Neighborlogs, but I have worked with both django and drupal. If you don&#039;t have a developer, I&#039;d run away from django like the dickens. That said, it&#039;s a far more flexible platform and can take care of custom apps that you&#039;d end up jumping through hoops to get accomplished with some of the more off the shelf options. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve never tried Neighborlogs, but I have worked with both django and drupal. If you don&#8217;t have a developer, I&#8217;d run away from django like the dickens. That said, it&#8217;s a far more flexible platform and can take care of custom apps that you&#8217;d end up jumping through hoops to get accomplished with some of the more off the shelf options. </p>
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		<title>By: Dave Chase</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave Chase</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 20:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for all the comments. There were some great suggestions on additional criteria, as well. For example, the ability to geotag content is something that neighborlogs does do.

The comparison I did in depth was really Wordpress vs. Neighborlogs. I just implemented Wordpress for a consulting client of mine (not a hyperlocal site) and it&#039;s what we&#039;ve used for 4 years on our site and think it&#039;s terrific for lots of scenarios...just not my situation. However, one of the areas I don&#039;t think it does a great job is multi-user blogs. If you are a solo blogger, it&#039;s not an issue. In contrast, most of our content comes from the community so optimizing for that is a place I felt neighborlogs shined.

To Michelle&#039;s point, unless I have my own wordpress support person, the support I get from neighborlogs is superior simply because there&#039;s an actual person (albeit a busy person) I can reach out to. He does a good job of triage from what I have experienced.

I&#039;ve also seen solid CMS&#039; built on top of Django and Drupal but they both had tech wizards attached to them which I can&#039;t afford which is why they weren&#039;t preferred options for my circumstance.

By comparison to my choice, I felt Wordpress fell short on criteria #1, 5, 11, 12, 13 (it can probably do some of these items but not in a no-brainer fashion - i.e., it requires some deeper platform knowledge than I possess). Even some of the other items aren&#039;t trivial whereas they are with my choice.

I appreciate all the comments/suggestions.

I should also mention that if one is talking about a larger, sophisticated and resourced operation there are other options out there. They cost real money, however, and will assume some level of internal support to take full advantage of their capabilities.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for all the comments. There were some great suggestions on additional criteria, as well. For example, the ability to geotag content is something that neighborlogs does do.</p>
<p>The comparison I did in depth was really WordPress vs. Neighborlogs. I just implemented WordPress for a consulting client of mine (not a hyperlocal site) and it&#8217;s what we&#8217;ve used for 4 years on our site and think it&#8217;s terrific for lots of scenarios&#8230;just not my situation. However, one of the areas I don&#8217;t think it does a great job is multi-user blogs. If you are a solo blogger, it&#8217;s not an issue. In contrast, most of our content comes from the community so optimizing for that is a place I felt neighborlogs shined.</p>
<p>To Michelle&#8217;s point, unless I have my own wordpress support person, the support I get from neighborlogs is superior simply because there&#8217;s an actual person (albeit a busy person) I can reach out to. He does a good job of triage from what I have experienced.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve also seen solid CMS&#8217; built on top of Django and Drupal but they both had tech wizards attached to them which I can&#8217;t afford which is why they weren&#8217;t preferred options for my circumstance.</p>
<p>By comparison to my choice, I felt WordPress fell short on criteria #1, 5, 11, 12, 13 (it can probably do some of these items but not in a no-brainer fashion &#8211; i.e., it requires some deeper platform knowledge than I possess). Even some of the other items aren&#8217;t trivial whereas they are with my choice.</p>
<p>I appreciate all the comments/suggestions.</p>
<p>I should also mention that if one is talking about a larger, sophisticated and resourced operation there are other options out there. They cost real money, however, and will assume some level of internal support to take full advantage of their capabilities.</p>
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		<title>By: Clyde Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.ojr.org/p1814/#comment-2227</link>
		<dc:creator>Clyde Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Interesting list of criteria.  Some I wouldn&#039;t have expected in their specificity, for example, your notes on calendars and classified ads, though that makes perfect sense.

I would, however, love to see a comparison across the board of the major offerings using your criteria.  Too much work for you, I know, but something I would love to see.

Also, as someone who&#039;s worked more on a national level and thought about projects for a national or international niche audience, I honestly don&#039;t see how these criteria are particular to hyperlocal.

I think it&#039;s a good start for making a list of criteria for any community oriented web news site since hyperlocal is, in many ways, simply one form of community.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting list of criteria.  Some I wouldn&#8217;t have expected in their specificity, for example, your notes on calendars and classified ads, though that makes perfect sense.</p>
<p>I would, however, love to see a comparison across the board of the major offerings using your criteria.  Too much work for you, I know, but something I would love to see.</p>
<p>Also, as someone who&#8217;s worked more on a national level and thought about projects for a national or international niche audience, I honestly don&#8217;t see how these criteria are particular to hyperlocal.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s a good start for making a list of criteria for any community oriented web news site since hyperlocal is, in many ways, simply one form of community.</p>
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		<title>By: 216.205.224.10</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 14:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It was exciting to see a post that even broaches this subject. I think some key needs are missing from your list. There are many more, but I would like to suggest two more --

(1) The ability to easily geo-tag content in the CMS. There are in existence today geo-tagging engines that automatically extract geo-references from content and assign a LAT/LON or multiple LAT/LONs.
(2) Outbound Geo-rss and KML feeds so that mashups can be built quickly and easily from the content created/added to the publishing tool.

Your list intimated these two features, but I felt it valuable to specifically spell them out because they exist today in some publishing systems.

Ian
http://communicationcontent.blogspot.com/
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was exciting to see a post that even broaches this subject. I think some key needs are missing from your list. There are many more, but I would like to suggest two more &#8211;</p>
<p>(1) The ability to easily geo-tag content in the CMS. There are in existence today geo-tagging engines that automatically extract geo-references from content and assign a LAT/LON or multiple LAT/LONs.<br />
(2) Outbound Geo-rss and KML feeds so that mashups can be built quickly and easily from the content created/added to the publishing tool.</p>
<p>Your list intimated these two features, but I felt it valuable to specifically spell them out because they exist today in some publishing systems.</p>
<p>Ian<br />
<a href="http://communicationcontent.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://communicationcontent.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: David Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:16:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[especially noting that neighborlogs is a hosted only product, it is definitely important for local bloggers and startups to be able to host their own sites as they desire. how you could cook-book a drupal, joomla or wordpress site to check off these decisions would be very valuable indeed.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>especially noting that neighborlogs is a hosted only product, it is definitely important for local bloggers and startups to be able to host their own sites as they desire. how you could cook-book a drupal, joomla or wordpress site to check off these decisions would be very valuable indeed.  </p>
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		<title>By: David Johnson</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Johnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 13:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[this is a good checklist for decision-making, but it would be more constructive and valuable if you mentioned more systems that met some of these requirements than the one you eventually chose. perhaps a second installment?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is a good checklist for decision-making, but it would be more constructive and valuable if you mentioned more systems that met some of these requirements than the one you eventually chose. perhaps a second installment?</p>
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		<title>By: 152.33.49.94</title>
		<link>http://www.ojr.org/p1814/#comment-2223</link>
		<dc:creator>152.33.49.94</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 12:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Dave,
Thanks for your under-the-hood look at Neighborlogs. I did a review of content management systems that included Neighborlogs among others:
http://michelleferrier.wordpress.com/2009/11/09/pro-con-short-list-hyperlocal-focused-content-management-systems/

While we have similar criteria, I think one of the key characteristics you mention is the responsiveness of the development team. That alone will kill or grow a project.

Michelle Ferrier
www.locallygrownnews.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Dave,<br />
Thanks for your under-the-hood look at Neighborlogs. I did a review of content management systems that included Neighborlogs among others:<br />
<a href="http://michelleferrier.wordpress.com/2009/11/09/pro-con-short-list-hyperlocal-focused-content-management-systems/" rel="nofollow">http://michelleferrier.wordpress.com/2009/11/09/pro-con-short-list-hyperlocal-focused-content-management-systems/</a></p>
<p>While we have similar criteria, I think one of the key characteristics you mention is the responsiveness of the development team. That alone will kill or grow a project.</p>
<p>Michelle Ferrier<br />
<a href="http://www.locallygrownnews.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.locallygrownnews.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: 66.241.81.95</title>
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		<dc:creator>66.241.81.95</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dave,

Thanks for posting this blog and sharing some of your experience. My first comment is that I entirely agree with the following points you make. These are critical to the success of any hyperlocal blogger.

1. You Don&#039;t Need To Hire A Tech Team To Do It
2. You Need To Be Able to Quickly and Easily Monetize Your Site
4. The platform must allow for community generated content

Although I have not used Neighborlogs I will give it a review, now that you have shared it.

On the other hand I am highly experienced with WordPress and feel that without a doubt it is currently one of the best platforms to use for starting and launching a hyperlocal blog.

I wrote a blog about wordpress being used for hyperlocal platforms here if anyone wants to compare and contrast.

http://hyperlocal101.com/best-software-for-hyperlocal-blogs

Thanks for your post.

Shields Bialasik
http://www.hyperlocal101.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave,</p>
<p>Thanks for posting this blog and sharing some of your experience. My first comment is that I entirely agree with the following points you make. These are critical to the success of any hyperlocal blogger.</p>
<p>1. You Don&#8217;t Need To Hire A Tech Team To Do It<br />
2. You Need To Be Able to Quickly and Easily Monetize Your Site<br />
4. The platform must allow for community generated content</p>
<p>Although I have not used Neighborlogs I will give it a review, now that you have shared it.</p>
<p>On the other hand I am highly experienced with WordPress and feel that without a doubt it is currently one of the best platforms to use for starting and launching a hyperlocal blog.</p>
<p>I wrote a blog about wordpress being used for hyperlocal platforms here if anyone wants to compare and contrast.</p>
<p><a href="http://hyperlocal101.com/best-software-for-hyperlocal-blogs" rel="nofollow">http://hyperlocal101.com/best-software-for-hyperlocal-blogs</a></p>
<p>Thanks for your post.</p>
<p>Shields Bialasik<br />
<a href="http://www.hyperlocal101.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.hyperlocal101.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Steve Thurston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Thurston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Jan 2010 11:38:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hey Dave,
I liked the piece, and I agree with pretty much all of what you said.  I, too, chose Neighborlogs (their first Virginian, and maybe their first east coaster to do so) for many of the reasons you mentioned.
The one real sell for me was the focus on local ads for local news.  The best print weeklies that survived the past couple of years were the ones that had a deep reserve of many different local advertisers.  It seems to me that there&#039;s room for that sort of support on the web as well
Thanks for the article,
Steve]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Dave,<br />
I liked the piece, and I agree with pretty much all of what you said.  I, too, chose Neighborlogs (their first Virginian, and maybe their first east coaster to do so) for many of the reasons you mentioned.<br />
The one real sell for me was the focus on local ads for local news.  The best print weeklies that survived the past couple of years were the ones that had a deep reserve of many different local advertisers.  It seems to me that there&#8217;s room for that sort of support on the web as well<br />
Thanks for the article,<br />
Steve</p>
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