Q&A with Overheard in the Newsroom's Kevin Cobb

For folks that have left the newsroom, it’s become the source of our newsroom culture fix. For those in newsrooms, it’s the place that confirms you are not alone and, yes, the newsroom is crazy. Awesome and crazy.

For this week’s post I chatted with the creator of Overheard in the Newsroom, Kevin Cobb. We pull back the virtual curtain and learn about how the project began and how it has been an insightful barometer reflecting our industry’s ups and downs.

As in other Q&As I do, we meet on a collaborative document a few weeks back and just chat-typed away.

Kevin, thanks for agreeing to do this Q&A… let’s start with you talking about your journalism background. What do you do and how’d you start in the ‘business’?

Kevin CobbI’m currently a news designer with the South Florida Sun Sentinel. I first got my ‘journalism itch’ back in high school. I was always the kid who ended up staying after school and making sure the paper was finished. I went to Ball State University in ’04 (Go Cards!) and worked at The Times of Northwest Indiana after graduation.

You’re a man of many talents, including being an ordained minister… but you’re best known for the site and Twitter account @OHnewsroom, which “delivers the best overheard comments in any newsroom.” Can you talk about how that idea came about?

Overheard in the Newsroom launched in Jan. of ’09. My entire journalism background has been focused on the print side of journalism and I wanted to ‘figure out’ the Web side (building a site, maintaining a social network presence). I just needed an idea. I noticed a trend among the people I was following on Twitter of sharing what was being said in their newsroom… things like “heard in my newsroom” and “my editor just said…” I had the newsroom background to know people kept quote files of the more outrageous things their co-workers said. So I launched. But what has made the site viral has been the Twitter and Facebook presence.

So it started as a site? Talk about your experience when you move to Twitter. When did you know you had something big?

Yep, it first started as a site. Using Twitter and Facebook just seemed like a natural extension. I had my first ‘holy cow, what have I started’ moment when New York Times reporter Brian Stelter mentioned the site on Twitter a few weeks after launch.

How many followers did you have before the mention? How many did you have afterwards?

I’m not sure of the exact numbers. I did send him an email thanking him and said the account gained 150 followers in 30 minutes — which was a huge number at the time.

You’re now at more than 40,000 followers on Twitter, and more than 100,000 on Facebook. Did you ever imagine this to reach so many people? How has this affect your newsroom relationships? Do people think you’ll post something if they make a comment to you?

You can ask my mentor Erica Smith about the increase in number of followers. Every time I would hit a milestone I would text her. Every. Time. In terms of my newsroom relationships, I would say it has only made them stronger. My co-workers know this is a side project that I do on my own time. I’ve made it clear to them that I’ll never submit a quote I overheard.

Ha! My condolences to Erica. Talk about the ‘workflow’ for OHNewsoom. How do you get submissions? How many a day? What’s your process in ‘publishing’?

The majority of submissions are sent to the site — overheardinthenewsroom.com. I’ll pick up a few from Twitter that people know to add the hashtag #ohnewsroom. Some people add them to the wall on the Facebook page. A few months ago I added Tumblr to the mix and I’m starting to get a few through there. Depending on my day, I’ll go through the submissions and schedule them out a day or two in advance.

How many submissions do you get a day? What makes a good OHNewsroom submission/post?

On average I receive 50 to 75 quotes a day. When I’m going through the submissions, I look for things I would send my friends. In terms of which ones make the Twitter + Facebook feeds, I look for the ones that are relatable. Ones that will get a “that just happened to me” comment.

How many posts have you done so far? I’m assuming you’re going to have to guess the number.

Somewhere over 7,000.

I have to ask the typical question… do you have a favorite? What have been the most memorable ones?

Here are my 3 favorite:

Editor: “If you’re still at work and they’re vacuuming, you know you’ve made the wrong career choice.”

Reporter: “Life in the newsroom? It’s just a constant roller coaster of praise and bitch-slaps.”

Reporter: “I’m going to go as a journalist for Halloween. All I need for my costume is an empty bottle of vodka and my shattered dreams.”

To celebrate the passing of the 100,000 fan mark on Facebook, I’ll be soon be releasing a video of my journalist friends reading some of the best quotes from the site.

So, what are the typical reactions you’ve gotten from the posts? Do people recognize they’ve been quoted ever? What are the reactions from journalists when they meet you and realize you’re the guy behind OHnewsroom.

On Twitter, people will say “Hey, that’s my newsroom!” — they take pride in being recognized. My favorite ‘made it on OHnewsroom site quote’:

Producer: “We love making it on Overheard in the Newsroom.” Reporter: “It’s like, who cares about an Emmy. We made it on Overheard in the Newsroom!”

Are there ones you’ve had that you hadn’t published? Can you talk about those?

There have been a few quotes that have been submitted that were too over the top to be published.

Let’s take this to an ‘analytical’ level. What have you learned from these thousands and thousands of posts? What do these comments tell you about our newsrooms? About journalists?

There is still a definite need for copy editors.

It’s interesting to see the quotes change. I can always tell when it’s Intern Season when the intern-related quotes start floating in.

HAHAHA! Do these comments reflect the changes and challenges in our newsrooms?

I think so. When layoffs and furloughs were sweeping newsrooms, the site took an even more sarcastic / borderline depressed turn.

Based on the submissions you are getting now, let’s take an unscientific leap… what do your submissions say about the state of the industry now? Are we on the way up? Or still going down? Or … both? (I’m not a scientist)

From the submissions, I would say things have leveled out. The themes are now centered around deadlines, booze, technology and dealing with the public… which seems pretty universal in any newsroom, at any time.

Well, thanks for taking the time to chat with me … are there any parting words you’d like to add? Did you, in fact, ‘figure out’ the Web? What tech tips do you have for newsroom folks? Any pieces of wisdom to share from OHnewsroom?

If you have an idea for a project — go for it. It’s ridiculously easy to start a project on Tumblr.

Try new things. Go to your audience. Make it easy as possible for them to contribute and share your content. And if you don’t know where to start or who to follow on Twitter — participate in #wjchat. :)

Ha! Thank you sir. I have to say, for someone who has stepped away from the newsroom, I’ve continued to get my witty, smart-ass, anti-PC, newsroom culture fix from OHnewsroom. You captured something wonderful here and I, as I’m sure other journos, are grateful you’re sharing our brilliance and awkwardness.

The site would be nothing without the continued support from my fellow journalists across the world.

Robert Hernandez is a Web Journalism professor at USC Annenberg and co-creator of #wjchat, a weekly chat for Web Journalists held on Twitter. You can contact him by e-mail (r.hernandez@usc.edu) or through Twitter (@webjournalist). Yes, he’s a tech/journo geek.

It's time for journalists to promote a better 'Twitter style'

Once again, Twitter demonstrated its value as a breaking news tool during last week’s earthquake and tsunami in Japan. No other online tool I’ve encountered allows a reader to monitor, in real time, news coming from established news agencies as well as from individual eyewitnesses and other viewers around the world. But as effective as Twitter can be in bringing live news to readers around the world, the Japan disasters again illustrated where Twitter continues to fall short of its immense potential.

For those of us who follow hundreds (or even thousands) of feeds, fresh information can be lost between endless retweets of old information. Massive retweeting also allows false information to spread globally, gaining credibility with reach RT. While those of us who’ve taken the time to sharpen the list of sources we follow are rewarded with accurate, timely updates, too many Twitter users fail to enjoy the tool’s potential because they simply don’t know which feeds to follow when news breaks.

Social media eventually develop conventions of conversation that allow people to communicate with as little misunderstanding as possible. From in-person conversations to telephone calls to online message boards, people have developd mostly unwritten common rules that dictate the form of their conversations.

Many of those conventions have developed already within the Twitter community. But we can do better. That’s why I’d like to see news organizations and professional journalists use our leadership potential within this community to establish some additional conventions – ones that would help more people get better information when news breaks.

Yes, it’s time for “Twitter style.”

The first addition I’d like to see in Twitter style comes from Jeff Jarvis, who suggested a modified tag for eyewitness accounts in breaking news situations. Jarvis suggested that original eyewitnesses use a !tag instead of the traditional #tag when tagging their posts.

Jarvis acknowledges Twitter’s ability to pass along a geo-tag for posts that could help accomplish much the same thing, but notes that few people use it and many are reluctant to. While geo-tagging tweets might appeal to a tsunami survivor appealing for aid, imagine if you were a protestor fighting government forces in Libya. Would you really what to reveal your exact location in a tweet?

Eyewitness identification, if widely adopted, could help distinguish tweets from people on the scene from the chatter about the situation that too often obscures fresh reports. To help advance the cause, I’d like to see news organizations not only adopt the !tag, but also adopt a Twitter style that required geotagging all tweets, unless the reporter felt that geotagging a specific tweet would endanger him- or herself or innocent sources in the area. The more we use a feature, the more likely our example will encourage others to do the same.

[That said, it disturbs me that Twitter's pushing away third-party developers, since third-party apps have done so much work to extend Twitter's location service capabilities. Reporters in breaking news situations need tools that allow them to shift through data quickly using location tags in combination with other data. The more people using Twitter APIs, the more likely news organizations will be to either have access to such apps, or to easily find a developer to help create a custom one. So let's keep in mind that these conventions should extend to other micro-blogging services if we should come to the day when Twitter goes the way of Friendster and AltaVista, and ceases to be the dominant player in this space.]

Journalism’s Twitter style also should encourage not just the use of the RT for spreading original information, but also the MT (Modified Tweet) when a reporter retweets information in a post, but modifies it in some way, usually to shorten it to make room for a comment or addition.

Other abbreviations that should find a home in a Twitter style include HT (Hat Tip, or Heard Through) for acknowledging the source through which a reporter heard the information she or he is tweeting, and RR for a repeated tweet. Let’s not forget that while modern news operations work 24/7, individual readers don’t. Repeating tweets linking important posts can help expose them to fresh viewers who are just “tuning in.”

Finally, the biggest step that news organizations can take to help increase the value of Twitter to a broader audience is to be more aggressive in recommending follows. I’ve met too many people who’ve tried Twitter, then drifted from it, mostly because they just didn’t find enough interesting people to follow. In a breaking news situation, it’s our jobs as journalists to find the best sources in the community and listen to what they have to say.

Just retweeting and reporting off their tweets isn’t enough. We should routinely share the identities of our best breaking news sources with our readers, too, so that they can see the value of the best of Twitter, instead of getting lost in its abundant banality. Make it part of your Twitter style that in a breaking news situation, you or your organization will once an hour post a #follow list of top eyewitness sources.

Make space to explain why these folks are worth a follow, too. I’ve stopped paying attention to umpteen #FF (Follow Friday) posts that lists feed after feed, without even explaining why I should care about any of them. Let’s do better.

These are just a few of the steps journalists can take to use Twitter in ways that set a better example for the entire Twitter community. I hope that you’ll consider them the next time news breaks, and that you’ll continue a conversation on how we all can use microblogging tools such as Twitter to advance stories, report accurate information swiftly and reward the community of readers with which we are engaged.

DIY and passion give birth to a new journalists' weekly on Twitter

For me, it began with a snarky tweet: #journchat Bad name, good PR.

Apparently that tweet touched a nerve and prompted Web journalists to come out of the Twitterverse to express agreement.

Before I continue, let me define two things:

  • #journchat is a Twitter chat that is “an ongoing conversation between journalists, bloggers and PR folks” held weekly on Twitter. Created by @PRsarahevans, the first Twitter chat was held Monday, November 24, 2008. While it has “journalism” in the name, it skews heavily toward public relations.
  • A Twitter chat essentially is a regularly held chat, usually weekly, on a specific topic… tied together through a hashtag. A group of Twitterers gather and talk about whatever… blogging, book editing, etc.

Moments after that snarky tweet went out the hunger for Web journalists to network and learn from each other was apparent.

It makes sense.

We’re a community that is constantly evolving, struggling to find the “right” solution for our unique situations… from inside our newsrooms… often alone. Many of us have met at conferences or through social networking, but never regularly.

It was that passionate need mixed with the DIY-spirit of the web that got @lilgirlbigvoice, @killbutton, @kimbui and myself together to create #wjchat within five hours from meeting each other the first time.

While I had known P. Kim Bui from the past, I had just met Bethany Waggoner and Amira Dughri during the Feb. 1 journchat. Soon, our group grew and included Kate Gardiner (@kategardiner) and Robin Phillips (@RobinJP) among others.

We worked out the details for the debut chat first through Google Wave, but moved to the more stable Etherpad. We selected a topic, drafted some questions and volunteered our first guest moderator… which turned out to be me.

After finding that the @jchat Twitter account was taken and essentially dead, we changed the name to @wjchat. We also launched the blog site.

Through the power of our networks we promoted the inaugural chat that launched Wed., Feb 10, 2010. You can read the first transcription here.

We’re now three chats in and, dare I say it, the weekly conversation is a success.

It’s been my honor and privilege to see how this idea has been embraced by the community. For me, this is just another example of the power of the Web and the value of social media.

I encourage you all to join us this, and hopefully every, Wednesday at 5pm PT as we, together, go through these unprecedented changes in our industry… learning from each other, supporting each other and building our community.