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	<title>Comments on: What the &#039;Ground Zero mosque&#039; flap says about the state of journalism</title>
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		<title>By: 216.196.131.38</title>
		<link>http://www.ojr.org/what-the-ground-zero-mosque-flap-says-about-the-state-of-journalism/#comment-2405</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Aug 2010 17:11:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think &quot;two football fields&quot; in a city setting sounds farther than 600 feet.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think &#8220;two football fields&#8221; in a city setting sounds farther than 600 feet.</p>
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		<title>By: 70.58.159.176</title>
		<link>http://www.ojr.org/what-the-ground-zero-mosque-flap-says-about-the-state-of-journalism/#comment-2404</link>
		<dc:creator>70.58.159.176</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 16:56:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;The question is why responsible news media doesn&#039;t fight as aggressively to reframe stories with the facts.&quot;

That sir, is indeed the main question. But the question offers an implication: responsible news media are being irresponsible.

This isn&#039;t a rhetorical question you ask. It is one in which responsible journalists within a responsible media industry ought to fully investigate and produce an informative report.

There are a limited number of national media. And many regional and local media that subscribe to the AP often regurgitate whatever the AP has to say on a news story.

The national news media (newspapers, TV, radio and Internet) often follow suit in spreading news to the vast majority of media audiences.

An investigation into which media promote the erroneous (and irresponsible) notion of &quot;Ground Zero&quot; and &quot;mosque&quot; will also lead directly to the names of editors, whose identification could be listed in a report that places them squarely in the center of a national spotlight of scrutiny.

Until editors are held directly responsible, this sort of crap journalism will continue. We can always yell &quot;Fox News&quot; at the top of our criticism of media, but even that merely points an accusing finger at a brand, not a person.

No amount of finger-pointing at the Fox News brand has succeeded in degrading its value and ability to attract audiences and advertising revenue. The process of criticizing brands is futile.

The process of criticizing people and holding them accountable for the pollution they pour out into the public is the missing element in righting the wayward media vessel that has veered off course.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The question is why responsible news media doesn&#8217;t fight as aggressively to reframe stories with the facts.&#8221;</p>
<p>That sir, is indeed the main question. But the question offers an implication: responsible news media are being irresponsible.</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t a rhetorical question you ask. It is one in which responsible journalists within a responsible media industry ought to fully investigate and produce an informative report.</p>
<p>There are a limited number of national media. And many regional and local media that subscribe to the AP often regurgitate whatever the AP has to say on a news story.</p>
<p>The national news media (newspapers, TV, radio and Internet) often follow suit in spreading news to the vast majority of media audiences.</p>
<p>An investigation into which media promote the erroneous (and irresponsible) notion of &#8220;Ground Zero&#8221; and &#8220;mosque&#8221; will also lead directly to the names of editors, whose identification could be listed in a report that places them squarely in the center of a national spotlight of scrutiny.</p>
<p>Until editors are held directly responsible, this sort of crap journalism will continue. We can always yell &#8220;Fox News&#8221; at the top of our criticism of media, but even that merely points an accusing finger at a brand, not a person.</p>
<p>No amount of finger-pointing at the Fox News brand has succeeded in degrading its value and ability to attract audiences and advertising revenue. The process of criticizing brands is futile.</p>
<p>The process of criticizing people and holding them accountable for the pollution they pour out into the public is the missing element in righting the wayward media vessel that has veered off course.</p>
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		<title>By: Tristan Louis</title>
		<link>http://www.ojr.org/what-the-ground-zero-mosque-flap-says-about-the-state-of-journalism/#comment-2403</link>
		<dc:creator>Tristan Louis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 15:20:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You only have 1/2 of the issue here. Yes, it&#039;s true that it&#039;s not at ground zero but you should also not forget that it&#039;s not a mosque either. It&#039;s a community center. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You only have 1/2 of the issue here. Yes, it&#8217;s true that it&#8217;s not at ground zero but you should also not forget that it&#8217;s not a mosque either. It&#8217;s a community center. </p>
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		<title>By: Robert Niles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Niles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 14:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And these comments explain why mainstream journalism continues to fail the public.

C&#039;mon, folks, &quot;ground zero&quot; means the footprint of the towers, not all of Lower Manhattan. (And there have been mosques in Lower Manhattan for years, by the way.)

This is primarily a community center. There&#039;s a design for a prayer room in it, which makes it a mosque like a prayer breakfast makes my local YMCA into a church.

Let&#039;s be honest, because our non-industry readers deserve it. This controversy is a designed campaign, ginned up by certain elements within the right wing in this country (especially those broadcasting on Fox News), to stir up anti-Islam sentiment in this country. It is a campaign meant to divide, not to inform. And the use of &quot;ground zero mosque&quot; in mainstream news reports plays into that, for the reasons Brian describes above.

Let&#039;s also stop being naive: the origin of this campaign, and its motivation and intent, is *far* more newsworthy than this ginned-up campaign itself. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And these comments explain why mainstream journalism continues to fail the public.</p>
<p>C&#8217;mon, folks, &#8220;ground zero&#8221; means the footprint of the towers, not all of Lower Manhattan. (And there have been mosques in Lower Manhattan for years, by the way.)</p>
<p>This is primarily a community center. There&#8217;s a design for a prayer room in it, which makes it a mosque like a prayer breakfast makes my local YMCA into a church.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s be honest, because our non-industry readers deserve it. This controversy is a designed campaign, ginned up by certain elements within the right wing in this country (especially those broadcasting on Fox News), to stir up anti-Islam sentiment in this country. It is a campaign meant to divide, not to inform. And the use of &#8220;ground zero mosque&#8221; in mainstream news reports plays into that, for the reasons Brian describes above.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s also stop being naive: the origin of this campaign, and its motivation and intent, is *far* more newsworthy than this ginned-up campaign itself. </p>
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		<title>By: 213.55.76.19</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 13:15:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[it depends on whose ox is being gored. the author reveals his own bias, not that of headline writers. i must admit to being conflicted on the mosque issue, but have no qualms about use of the term &#039;ground zero mosque&#039; in a headline, but explanatory copy would be helpful.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it depends on whose ox is being gored. the author reveals his own bias, not that of headline writers. i must admit to being conflicted on the mosque issue, but have no qualms about use of the term &#8216;ground zero mosque&#8217; in a headline, but explanatory copy would be helpful.</p>
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		<title>By: Dion Lefler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dion Lefler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Aug 2010 12:15:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brian,
I agree with your underlying premise that words matter, but language use and abuse cuts both ways.
I&#039;ve followed reporting on this issue pretty closely and recall a spate of stories and posts saying &quot;it&#039;s not a mosque, it&#039;s a community center.&quot; Those I guess got skinned back somewhat when it was confirmed there would be a mosque within the community center.
Everybody picks words to frame their thesis.
In your post, you say it&#039;s 600 feet away. That sounds far.
But saying 200 yards would sound less far and &quot;two football fields&quot; would sound really close.
Rhetorically, this particular question seems to hinge on what defines Ground Zero.
Is it the cleared area where the twin towers stood? Or is it a larger area of buildings that sustained damage in the attack?
By the first definition, the mosque is out. By the second, it&#039;s in (as far as I can tell, it&#039;s undisputed that the community center and mosque building was in fact damaged in the 9-11 attack).
I&#039;m not taking sides, I&#039;m just pointing out that it&#039;s rhetorically not absolutely cut and dried because we&#039;re dealing in imprecise terms to start with.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian,<br />
I agree with your underlying premise that words matter, but language use and abuse cuts both ways.<br />
I&#8217;ve followed reporting on this issue pretty closely and recall a spate of stories and posts saying &#8220;it&#8217;s not a mosque, it&#8217;s a community center.&#8221; Those I guess got skinned back somewhat when it was confirmed there would be a mosque within the community center.<br />
Everybody picks words to frame their thesis.<br />
In your post, you say it&#8217;s 600 feet away. That sounds far.<br />
But saying 200 yards would sound less far and &#8220;two football fields&#8221; would sound really close.<br />
Rhetorically, this particular question seems to hinge on what defines Ground Zero.<br />
Is it the cleared area where the twin towers stood? Or is it a larger area of buildings that sustained damage in the attack?<br />
By the first definition, the mosque is out. By the second, it&#8217;s in (as far as I can tell, it&#8217;s undisputed that the community center and mosque building was in fact damaged in the 9-11 attack).<br />
I&#8217;m not taking sides, I&#8217;m just pointing out that it&#8217;s rhetorically not absolutely cut and dried because we&#8217;re dealing in imprecise terms to start with.</p>
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